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To: count-your-change
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"Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith except everyone do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly
He therefore that will be saved is must think thus of the Trinity.
This is the catholic faith, which except a man believe faithfully, he cannot be saved.”
You are the victim of a lie. You have taken the first couple of sentences, skipped a VERY long middle, and tacked on the last sentence. To do that with quotation marks and without an ellipsis is, well, scandalous. Whoever gave you that quote in that form was not interested in the truth.

Whoever wrote the so-called Athanasian creed sums up the faith in terms of the Trinity and the Hypostatic union and kind of tacks on a little "apostolic creed" in there. Such manipulation of texts is really inexcusable and I am very sorry to see you so deceived by the scoundrel who would show so little regard for honesty.

To adduce this text to argue that you have to be a Catholic too be saved won't work. Heck, Lewis and Sayers both studied this and wrote on it and while both endorsed the creed neither became Catholic.

There are other, more suitable, texts you could use for your point. This is not one of them. I'd go with Unam Sanctam.

1,146 posted on 08/10/2010 1:51:41 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg; metmom
The Athanasian Creed states Catholic Doctrine does it not? So where is the lie?

I quoted that part pertinent to metmom’s post in reply. Of course I left the middle, it wasn't relevant to my point just as YOU have left out part of what I wrote. That YOU left out part of my post is well, “scandalous” to the same extent.

Is the Athanasian Creed an accurate statement of Catholic belief and does it say what I quoted or not?

1,163 posted on 08/10/2010 2:18:35 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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However, there are sections of official documents which sound much more exclusivist than that.

Are you saying all those sentences and paragraphs are negated by other sentences and paragraphs?

How are we to know? Why not just leave out what’s negated?


1,220 posted on 08/10/2010 4:13:28 PM PDT by Quix (C THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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