Posted on 08/05/2010 4:42:27 AM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
Glenn Beck is one of the most popular political commentators in the United States. Between his TV show, and nationally syndicated talk-radio show, Beck reaches millions of Americans every day with his commentary about politics. Glenn Beck is also a convert to the Mormon faith, joining the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in 1999 along with his wife and children. However, his recent comments regarding God, salvation, and the Gospel on his TV show have caused some evangelical Christians to contemplate the salvation of Glenn Beck, even as a member of the Mormon Church.
We know that it’s the desire of political conservatives, constitutionalists, and Christians to take back America and stop the socialistic trends in this country. We are grateful for Glenn Beck and others like him who are standing behind the constitution and foundational basis of this country. Every evangelical Christian should support them in these goals. However, in sharing this common goal and desire we must be careful to not cross the line and become undiscerning in our theology and assessment of those who may only be masking as Evangelical Christians or “transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ” (2 Cor. 11:13-15).
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Thank you. It is always interesting to me that those who seem so capable of quoting chapter and verse either don't comprehend or don't trust what Jesus Himself says:
I am the Good Shepherd; and I know Mine own, and Mine own know Me, even as the Father knoweth Me, and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice: and they shall become one flock, one Shepherd.
The Gospel according to Saint John, 10:14-16
“what possible difference does it make to you or anyone else that when his soul leaves his human body, it is accepted into heaven or not?”
The big boss is going to ask us later if we took care of his sheep. That is why it matters.
So Mormons profess Christ, then their way is just another way of putting up the tent?
If that was the end of the story, what was the point of Matthew 28:16-20. Is that just busy work or a practical joke on us?
Admission to the camp is Romans 10:9 confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead. If a Mormon does that, then they have received salvation. Anything else falls under discipleship and sanctification.
From what I hear of his show, he is turning into America's radio preacher, when he is pushing the bible and telling people how to interpret it, I wonder if his audience knows that he doesn't accept the bible the way that they do, that he sees it as only a flawed but useful (except when it is wrong) companion to the 'true Holy Book' written by Joseph Smith.
I think that his conservative, devoutly religious, Christian members of his audience should know that he is serving Moromonism.
And again, I say, of course that includes Mormons!
Mormons think of grace as primarily future-tense due to Book of Mormon passages like 2 Nephi 25:23 and Moroni 10:32...as mentioned in a previous post...it's like some after-burner will kick in to both "save" the Mormon and lead them to perfection.
The apostle Paul destroyed that nonsense:
...the gospel, by the power of God who has saved us and called us to a holy life—NOT because of anything WE have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time... (2 Tim. 1:8-9)
The reality?
#1 We're saved by the character of graciousness exhibited by God; not the character of man.
#2 And to pre-empt complete boasting on man's part, 'twas done before the clocked ticked once.
Think of all this w/this illustration:
Parental "grace" or "favor" extended by adopted parents is "grace" extended to all they adopt, right?
But say you adopted a 12 yo boy who no matter what "pure gift" you gave to him @ his birthday or Christmas time, he would absolutely insist that he "work" for it..."pay you back" for it...and even eventually billed himself for "room and board" during his teen years to "pay you back" for that, too...
Believe me, Dexter, such a 'tude exhibited by the "pay-back boy" would get old soon enough. How many times would the father say to Himself, "You know this boy can never pay back how I reached into the darkest part of the world to rescue him; yet he thinks he can 'earn' his way into sonship." At some point, this legalism is going to become "offensive" to a Gracious Father -- just like it would if your adopted son could never simply "receive" gifts from you.
Bottom line: Does the above describe a grace-filled father-son relationship; or is that a legalistic tit-for-tat campaign to "prove" himself "worthy" as if he was a mere "house tenant" -- instead of acting like a true adopted son?
The apostle Paul also made it clear to the Galatians that they could nullify grace. Consider these three passages he wrote to them:
Galatians 2:21:
I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing! [My note: If we de-magnify God's grace, we set it apart...and belittle the cross of Christ, which the Mormons don't honor, anyway]
Galatians 3:1-3: 1You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? 3Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?
Galatians 5:4: You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. [Example of grace nullification]
Well, I'm not 100% sure I'm clear the point you're driving at (so correct me if I'm on-base in my response).
Are you saying that since, for example, Nazarenes don't say Baptists aren't saved, so why the vehemence in cross-denominational discussions? Or since Mormons say most Christians are also "saved," same thing?
If this is your point, #1: Mormons, in claiming Christians are "saved" and resurrected by the atonement of Christ, still "exclude" Christians in their belief system from living eternally with Heavenly Father. They deny John 17:3 and many other biblical passages by applying "eternal life" as something that is reserved only for married temple Mormons...who then supposedly get to climb to the celestial kingdom and then become gods of their own worlds.
You also need to know that this was the Mormon thought-process long before Mormonism was well-understood by most Christians in the 1830s and 1840s. [IOW, who "excluded" who from the get-go? Who called all the Christian sects "apostates?" Smith did. Who called all Christian "professors" of their faith corrupt? Smith did. Who labeled 100% of Christian creeds as an "abomination" to his god? Smith did. And most of these he did before any Christian could utter one thing about Mormonism]
A "salvation" that excludes living with God is no "salvation" at all -- and Mormons should be utterly, utterly, utterly ashamed of their false "gospel"...just as they should were they to proclaim they were having THE family reunion of all family reunions, and oh, BTW, the Patriarch of the family wasn't going to show up...some family reunion that would be!
I read your post, so can the condescending attitude.
Glenn is fighting for truth. To post a vanity thread in order to attack him is foolishness.
If you want to divide instead of unite to fight the progressives, you are working for the enemy.
Well bud I guess that section in Matthew 7:1 on judging others went straight over your head. Taliban Christians like yourself give the rest of us a bad name.
The attack is in the timing and the posting of this kind of divisive nonsense.
He is a baptized Catholic, but has currently abandoned his Catholicism to join his wife’s church.
He didn’t join his wife’s church. Glenn and Tanya joined the LDS Church at the same time.
Our Evangelical Reformed Presbyterian Church just finished having a series of special Sunday evening services on the cults. This last Sunday was on Mormonism. The speaker, Rev. Erwin Morrison, gave an excellent overview and had some very interesting comments on Beck. If anyone is interested, here’s the link:
www.rspresbyterian.org/Summer_2010.html
I understand that Beck became a Mormon at the urging of his wife. Go figure that one out.
You understand incorrectly. Go do some research.
Here’s a start.
Glenn Beck’s conversion story. 1 of many.
http://www.mormonvidz.com/video/1953/Mormon-Glenn-Becks-conversion-to-Mormonism
The same thing applies today.
Unite or Die.
If we don't unite we will not be able to fight.
“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
-Mahatma Gandhi
We had for sure come together or we are in deep doodoo.
A member of the Mormon church could be a Christian and just not know nuch of anything about Mormon theology.
I think the Beck will at some time leave the Mormon church once he realizes the fraud.
I seriously doubt anyone in authority in the Mormon church has told him about most of the cultish stuff.
If you really want to know about his path to where he is in his faith, I suggest you read up on it. You will find that he tried for 6 months to rip it apart, but couldn't.
Give him some much deserved credit will ya? He's no dope.
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