Byzantium, the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation, Renaissance Italy were all great nations much like the United States came to be politically, survived for much longer that the United States has so far done, and gave the world the cultural treasure beyond comparison to the post-reformation cultural decadence that passes for modern culture. All these were institutionally Catholic.It is also true that over time America became more Catholic, and now we see disintegration of Protestatism and ascendance of Catholicism as the only consistent voice in defense of human dignity, right to life, right to practice religion publicly, and right to local governance. Funny how things turn around.
I see that you have never learned how special and unique America is and what makes it the greatest nation in history. I have learned that many Catholics are not big fans of early America. Before I joined FR, I never knew how much Catholics did not like the United States, and saw it as something that needed to made more European and similar to the old Catholic Europe
Catholics are a democrat voting block that elected Obama and have driven this nation to the left and has manipulated a colonization of America by the third world and liberal, pro-abortion, Catholic voters, they are not a force of conservatism, but of the left. On threads like this it often comes to seem that Catholics are at war with Protestant America and are in service to a foreign, global mentality
Even on something that they are supposed to be conservative on, abortion, they elect pro-abortion politicians. Obama is the most pro-abortion President ever elected and Catholics did it.
I completely agree with you that the Catholics voting for pro-abort politicians is a sorry scandal, and points to the sick condition of the American Church. I have no way to verify your graphic, but if there is one Catholic advancing the culture of death in America that is one Catholic too many.
With the rest, I pretty much disagree.
There is nothing in my post to indicate that I am not a “big fan of early America”. May be there are some, I don’t know. I simply point out that great as early America was, it is no longer, while there were many great Catholic nations in the past that lasted a very long time and left and admirable legacy. I listed some of them.
The American Catholics were a reliable Democrat block before the Democrat party went off the deep end with their satanic cultural policy. We are less and less so, even though the Bush presidency gave Catholics nothing to be excited about. I happen to be an economic paleo-libertarian and so would not personally go anywhere near Democrat economic philosophy, but the Church in general has no position on the economic issues that divide (less and less, I might say) the two parties. So you will see some Catholic support big government nanny state and that has nothing to do with them being Catholic, and so is beside the point here.
Of course, there is no shortage of liberal Protestants of any description. We have Protestant churches of the kind where Rev Wright, Obama’s pal is preaching, and the kind that calls abortion a great blessing, and the kind that would bless gay “marriages”, and the kind that would bless marriage after divorce, and of course every Protestant church has nothing to say about contraception whatsoever. You may have a solid conservative contingent — God bless you for that — but you also have cultural liberalism not merely among the flock but preached from the pulpit.
Further, Protestantism is a liberal idea to begin with. The entire notion that one can open the Bible, find verses in there that he likes and start his own church preaching that — is foundational liberalism. It is ironic to see a Protestant, whose movement was born in protesting the authority of the Church at every corner, now tell me how sad it is that the American Catholic Church does not exercise enough authority to crack down on our liberal wing. Get your own jeremiah wrights, gene robinsons, joel olsteens out of your own eye first.