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To: circlecity

Circlecity, you wrote

“…show me one single society in the history of the world where there was a moral ordered society as a result of getting the right leaders in place.”

and

“Relying on your leaders for social change will always just give you a new set of Pharisees. Generation after generation has tried your approach and it has never provided a lasting change”

You act as if having a properly-ordered society impossible. Obviously having a perfectly just society is impossible, but that is not my goal. My goal is something like what existed in America until roughly the 1950’s: the leaders of society (governmental and non-governmental) generally were supportive of proper morality, did not seek—as our leaders currently do—radically disruptive change in the form of leftist crusading, and generally allowed private individuals and institutions to live what we would now call a conservative lifestyle. Not a perfect society, but one that functioned reasonably well. Since this system existed for most of America’s history, it is obviously possible.

The civil government’s job is not to make men righteous. That is the Church’s job. Don’t fault civil government for never doing what it was never intended to do.


29 posted on 08/05/2010 10:34:37 AM PDT by Alan Roebuck
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To: Alan Roebuck; circlecity
It is the job of the church to help man to be righteous so...if man is not righteous now then it is a failure of the church to teach the whole Gospel or a failure of man to respond to the Gospel. When “Joe six pack” looks at his neighbor that claims to be a Christian and sees no difference in how they live their life compared to himself, what is the motive to become a Christian...”fire insurance”. This does a disservice to the Gospel and to the neighbor. Now the neighbors can claim to be Christians, avoid hell, and live their lives the same as before...and we wonder why liberals have gained ground...
31 posted on 08/07/2010 10:35:04 PM PDT by WorldviewDad (following God instead of culture)
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