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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl; stfassisi; annalex; YHAOS; dfwgator; Diamond; xzins; TXnMA; shibumi; ...
You have a knack for "either–or" diatribes. The Law of the Excluded Middle may be the closest you come to the idea of God. I dunno....

That's not really addressing the issue is it, betty boop?

Maybe I'm not sufficiently "orthodox"; but it is not my belief that God "creates a new soul at the moment of conception."

Goes without saying. Your beliefs are contrary to what your Church teaches, if it is still your Church, that is. The Book of Genesis makes it clear that Adam's soul did not pre-exist. And if Eve was made form Adam's rib than his soul became her soul.

In you believe in the pre-existence of the souls, your belief is heresy according to the Catholic Church. The Church specifically condemned the teaching of Origen over this issue and over the issue of universal salvation. Both of these are Gnostic beliefs that ultimately lead to the pagan belief in reincarnation, which the Church flatly condemns.

From what you are saying you have strayed rather far from the teaching of your Church and into the Christian periphery. But then again, you did say that you are presently unchurched, so at least you admit to that.

652 posted on 09/06/2010 2:30:40 PM PDT by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: kosta50; Alamo-Girl; Texas Songwriter; stfassisi; annalex; YHAOS; dfwgator; Diamond; xzins; ...
The Book of Genesis makes it clear that Adam's soul did not pre-exist.

Au contraire: What the Book of Genesis says is God created heaven and the earth (i.e., all things) "in the beginning." Genesis 1 describes that beginning, which includes the beginning of Man (men).

At Genesis 1:26–27, God created the beginning of Man. But Man (man), at this point, is discarnate. I interpret this to mean that man is, at this point, pure soul.

This soul does not acquire physical or material form/existence until Genesis 2:7, when God breathed the Breath of Life into the first man Adam.

On this basis, I would argue that God's creation of Man in Genesis 1 was not the creation of the physical man, but the spiritual man (i.e., man as soul). We have to wait until Genesis 2 for the incarnation of man; that is, for man to arise as a physical being.

So accuse me of being a heretic! Coming from you, that would be most amusing!

Or maybe you could just "sue me." :^)

653 posted on 09/06/2010 3:01:25 PM PDT by betty boop (Those who do not punish bad men are really wishing that good men be injured. — Pythagoras)
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To: kosta50; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; stfassisi; annalex; YHAOS; dfwgator; Diamond; xzins

“The Church specifically condemned the teaching of Origen over this issue and over the issue of universal salvation. Both of these are Gnostic beliefs that ultimately lead to the pagan belief in reincarnation, which the Church flatly condemns.”

Right! Along with the teachings of Evagrius of Pontus and Didymos the Blind at the Second Council of Constantinople in 553. This is a very old but once commonly held heresy. Like so many of them, they seem to pop up in various Protestant and other extra-Ecclesial groups.


656 posted on 09/06/2010 6:14:52 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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