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Jefferson, the main author of the Declaration,  re-wrote the New Testament, threw out what he didn't like, called Paul the first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus, etc. Do you really think one can reject Paul, two thirds of the New Testament, the divinity of Jesus, the Trinitarian God, and still be a Christian? Ridiculous!

Jefferson tells me what was in his mind, and the 2 billion mainline Christians tell me what is Christianity. Thomas Paine tells me what was in his mind and he was no Christian. Just as Glenn Beck tells me he is a Mormon, which means he is no Christian because as a Mormon he believes God the Father used to be a man and has a body, that Jesus and Satan are brothers, that one can baptize the dead, etc.

How gracious of you. All this because I state a simple fact that there is nothing Christian, implicitly or explicitly stated, in the Declaration. If you can find one reference to the Bible, Christ or the Holy Trinity in it, please be so kind to point it out to me.

And what's this veiled threat and the presumptuous condemnation about? Are the Founding Fathers infallible? Is it against the law to interpret them individually? You make it sound as if having a different opinion of the Fathers is treason if not blasphemy?  Get hold of your emotions and pipe down your presumptuous attitude.

You quote Adams but conveniently ignore Jefferson, or Thomas Paine, Benjamin Franklin, and others, and amazingly fail to see that their private correspondence is one thing and what they wrote into the Declaration is another.

As for Adam's Christianity, yes, the Unitarists consider themselves Christians, and so do Mormons, and Arians, and Donatists, and Bogomils, and Jehovah's Witnesses, etc. 

Christianity is a belief in Jesus being the divine Logos  (John 1:1). Anything other than that is not Christianity but a Christian cult.

Adams writes to Jefferson " I answer, the general principles of Christianity, in which all those sects were united...and which had united all parties in America, in majorities sufficient to assert and maintain her independence" and I ask you where are those principles spelled out in the New Testament?

But they don't say what is specifically Christian about it! You can believe whomever you want, critically or uncritically, that is your prerogative. I am not asking you to believe me; I am stating my opinion and you yours. No one is after you, twisting your arm and washing your brain, persecuting you. If you feel someone is after you, perhaps a medical consult might be helpful for that condition.

Yes, as a matter of fact they did. It was the power of the imperial Roman decision that made Christianity a state religion and prohibited all other religions.

No, actually it's Jesus who says "do not resist the evil." (Mat 5:39).

Well, you have interesting dissociative associations, it seems. Maybe you can point me to where I assert such a ridiculous thing.  I am a retired Naval officer and neither I nor  the people I served with thought war was something "smart." Necessary,yes, but not smart. Only someone truly stupid could say war is something smart, or stupid for that matter.

I answered you. Rand's "choice" was no choice, so the question is not valid. My statement that might is always right is not a choice but a simple fact: might always prevails.



635 posted on 09/06/2010 9:08:31 AM PDT by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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