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To: betty boop; YHAOS; Alamo-Girl; Diamond; xzins; TXnMA; shibumi
[might is right] Yes; of the animal kingdom.... "Survival of the fittest" and all that jazz.

No, betty boop, might is right in all cases, including human. The strong prevail and they get to write what is right.

Your observation strikes me as a great pretext for the long-predicted "war of all against all".... "Nature bloody in tooth and claw," etc., etc., ad nauseam.

Now you are just being a drama queen. I never suggested any of that.

French Revo Redux

Hardly.

Do you really think human beings should be regarded exclusively as animals?

Not at all. That doesn't change the fact that might prevails in all instances and for all times and in all things.

If you do, then how could you ever account for the fact that, though an animal in his physical nature, man is also "ensouled,"

Being "ensouled" is a postulate and not a fact.

and is rational; he has mind; he thinks, and he communicates his thoughts in complex natural languages. No animal other than man is capable of doing this.

I agree. Man is much more developed that other animals in that regard.

Are we going to have to drop this fact down the old memory hole, just so your thesis — which implicitly calls for the total reduction of the human being to the purely physical — can be correct?

I don't remember making such a "thesis". I was merely observing that might prevails and sets the rules and can be said to be one of those "universal laws" for all times.

628 posted on 09/05/2010 3:33:44 PM PDT by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: kosta50; YHAOS; Alamo-Girl; Diamond; xzins; TXnMA; shibumi; Quix; Texas Songwriter
Being "ensouled" is a postulate and not a fact.

And yet it is a fact that human beings have for millennia believed that humans have souls, that there is an afterlife, and Dike — Justice — is the fundamental law of the universe. As evidence for this, may I mention the anonymous text, "Dispute of a Man, Who Contemplates Suicide, With His Soul" — from the Egypt of the First Intermediate Period (c. 2000 B.C.), an early literary reflection on the experiences of life, death, and immortality.

And then I could mention the Pamphyllian Myth, the Myth of Er, of Plato's Republic, in which a man descends into Hades, and sees the judgment of souls going on there; and then is permitted to return to the world to tell his fellow men of what he has seen.

"Soul" may be a "postulate" to you, given the basic form of your thinking (reductionist and skeptical). But your thinking does not determine reality — even though you might like it to.

Another fact: If you are right about the non-existence of souls, then some seven millennia of human history — experience, thought, artistic creations of all descriptions, etc., regarding this issue — is WRONG. And we all had to wait for you to come along to set the record straight — at last.

You wrote:

...might prevails in all instances and for all times and in all things.

If that were true, Hitler would still be in power. Or at least he would have been until his death by natural causes.... After his death by suicide, Hitler's "truth" fell apart. The point is Justice is stronger than might. Right is stronger than might.

Truth is incalculably more powerful than might. It is also more powerful than opinion — doxa — including your opinion.

All the collective might of the human race past, present, and presumably future, cannot eradicate the truth of the human soul. Only a fool would try.

Have to go eat dinner now; but I'll be back....

629 posted on 09/05/2010 4:56:41 PM PDT by betty boop (Those who do not punish bad men are really wishing that good men be injured. — Pythagoras)
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