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To: Campion
Excellent, that helps a huge amount!

But one question still remains.

Since we know that God obeys His own rules and since we know that the most important of those rules is that Yeshuah/Jesus (our Lord) had to come and go to the Cross bearing our sins to pay the ransom due for our enslavement to sin, how did He extend the gift of sanctifying grace and freedom from concupiscence to one person, Mary, and not violate His own rule of not doing so except by the Cross?

99 posted on 07/25/2010 10:56:50 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: SonOfDarkSkies; Campion
Since we know that God obeys His own rules and since we know that the most important of those rules is that Yeshuah/Jesus (our Lord) had to come and go to the Cross bearing our sins to pay the ransom due for our enslavement to sin, how did He extend the gift of sanctifying grace and freedom from concupiscence to one person, Mary, and not violate His own rule of not doing so except by the Cross?

This gets a bit complicated here so hang on and ask if I don't make it clear. There are three characteristics of God that are important.

He is omnipotent, all powerful capable of doing anything that is not a logical contradiction. He is Infinite, He occupies all of space with His being. He is eternal, He is outside of time and able to view or participate in any moment of time at at will. (As Jesus God the Son, he did have a finite existence on earth).

As an Eternal omnipotent being he was able to extend His sacrifice on the cross to Mary at the moment of her conception. That is why when the Angel greeted her in Luke he was able to address her as "full of Grace". This was not a greeting, but rather a description.

I hope this clears up some of it for you.

120 posted on 07/25/2010 12:11:35 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

Hmmm,

We don’t know all of God’s rules and what ever rules God might have,God makes and can change whenever God wants. Because God is God. Almighty.

I can only share with you my perspective on these matters,I’m not an expert,or Theologian. So about the idea that the death of Jesus on the Cross was a ransom,I respectfully disagree. He sacrificed Himself of His own free will. That was the act of salvation,showing that we can chose of our free will to act sinfully or honor and obey god.


153 posted on 07/25/2010 2:10:34 PM PDT by FreeDeerHawk
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

To continue...that we can be united with God in everlasting life,Jesus died and rose again.


155 posted on 07/25/2010 2:25:10 PM PDT by FreeDeerHawk
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