“When you say Mary only gave birth to the Man Jesus, when did the “man Jesus” as you state, become God.”
This is mincing words. Mary did not exist prior to the 2nd Person of the Trinity (God) plain and simple. Therefore Mary is not the mother of God. How you wish to explain His incarnation and birth is up to you. My whole point on the conversation was that Mary was only the vehicle which God used to bring Jesus into the world, that does not give her status to be prayed to and treated as a form of Deity.
Therefore Mary is not the mother of God.Says what splinter of the protestant faiths?
thatjoeguy
“When you say Mary only gave birth to the Man Jesus, when did the “man Jesus” as you state, become God.”
This is mincing words. Mary did not exist prior to the 2nd Person of the Trinity (God) plain and simple. Therefore Mary is not the mother of God. How you wish to explain His incarnation and birth is up to you. My whole point on the conversation was that Mary was only the vehicle which God used to bring Jesus into the world, that does not give her status to be prayed to and treated as a form of Deity.
No, what I said is not mincing words. The consistent teachings of the Fathers and Councils supports the teaching of Mary as “Theotokos” and was formally defined at the Council of Ephesus.
And nothing in the Council of Ephesus (431 AD) and its formal defining of Mary as “Theotokos”, i.e. Mother of God implies that Catholics and Orthodox pray to Mary as she is a diety or does it say Mary existed in Eternity. Mary was born of in the normal ways all human beings are born, yet the “eternal Word became incarnate of her” and thus the constant doctrine of the Church is that Mary is the “Mother of God”. This again, is Protestant polemics and your position is the anomaly and thus is the unorthodox position.
Mary is correctly honored for being the “ark of the New Covenant”, the Mother of God, and thus we pray in communion with her and ask Mary to pray for Us, which is firmly rooted in the Communion of Saints.
As a friendly suggestion, I would recommend you read up on the Patristic Fathers of the early Church and see how the understanding of Mary as “Mother of God” was related to a “Christological heresy” called Nestorianism, which it seem to me, that you are pushing again here some 1600 years later.