When does the wine and bread change to His actual body as you profess? One of the fascinations of Eucharistic theology is that it requires the theologian to wonder about words like "real", "actual", "virtual", "essential", "substantial", and even (my favorite) "thing."
So, this is a real question: Is there a Catholic theological source that says, "the wine and bread change to His actual body?"
It's just almost useless to debate or to discuss this without meticulous care about language. And if the person contesting the teaching cannot discuss "substance" and "accidents" coherently, there is no point in discussing it at all.
You have very nicely made my point Mad Dawg....the simplicity of the Gospel and that of remembering Christ's sacrifice get’s lost in the volumes of explanations presented and the literature one must read for understanding Romes rituals and meanings. Christ did not make it that difficult...but the learned seem to do so even today. He intended we enjoy Him...and this gets lost in the “ta do” lists in the catholic church. You are right to say some things are best left to the theologian's to scrabble with...but knowing and loving Christ, and serving Him full heartedly is not that complicated nor complex.