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To: Iscool
What dog are you trying to beat??? You're beating the same dog as the one you are accusing me of beating but the only difference is you claim you have to do something besides consent to your salvation...You have to do 'other' things as well...

Follow your statements, dude. Your posts are as variable as the weather forecast. Of course you have to consent to your salvation. You also must, as St. Paul says in:,p. Romans 2: 5 By your stubbornness and impenitent heart, you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of wrath and revelation of the just judgment of God, 6 who will repay everyone according to his works: 3 7 eternal life to those who seek glory, honor, and immortality through perseverance in good works, 8 but wrath and fury to those who selfishly disobey the truth and obey wickedness. 9 Yes, affliction and distress will come upon every human being who does evil, Jew first and then Greek. 10 But there will be glory, honor, and peace for everyone who does good, Jew first and then Greek.

St. Paul not enough for you? Let us try:

Matthew 25: 31 14 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit upon his glorious throne, 32 and all the nations 15 will be assembled before him. And he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. 34 Then the king will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.' 37 Then the righteous 16 will answer him and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39 When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?' 40 And the king will say to them in reply, 'Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.'

41 17 Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 a stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.'

44 18 Then they will answer and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?' 45 He will answer them, 'Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.' 46 And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

Care to argue with Jesus and Paul, both?

Not THAT is the will of the Father that is referred to in your proof verse of Mat. 7:21...

Are you possibly arguing that Matthew 7:21 is other than what it says? Your John 6:40 quote says And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

May have. This is required. Yet there is more required.

Now which group do you identify with and what group do I identify with???

Given your posts, I'd say that you identify with Nicolaus. I identify with the Church. I have no evidence of you practicing the Phyrgian heresy; that is more Pentecostalism.

7,435 posted on 08/07/2010 3:22:33 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
Follow your statements, dude. Your posts are as variable as the weather forecast. Of course you have to consent to your salvation. You also must, as St. Paul says in:,p. Romans 2: 5 By your stubbornness and impenitent heart, you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of wrath and revelation of the just judgment of God, 6 who will repay everyone according to his works: 3 7 eternal life to those who seek glory, honor, and immortality through perseverance in good works, 8 but wrath and fury to those who selfishly disobey the truth and obey wickedness. 9 Yes, affliction and distress will come upon every human being who does evil, Jew first and then Greek. 10 But there will be glory, honor, and peace for everyone who does good, Jew first and then Greek.

Well good for you...Live and die on those verses...I won't...

I won't because Paul said, that was then and THIS is now..

Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

It's called 'rightly dividing the word of truth'...That was then THIS is now...

There's a number of those in the scriptures...If you want to keep ignoring those, then you can face your judgment by trying to earn your own righteousness...

Your scripture in Matthew falls under the same category...BUT NOW, in the church age, righteousness is given to us freely, without works lest any man should boast...

YOu need to read ALL the counsel of God, not those sections that show you can lose your salvation...Study the parts where it shows your salvation is secure and eternal...Read the chapters that are written directly to the church...

7,442 posted on 08/07/2010 3:59:19 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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