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To: MarkBsnr; xone
Martin Luther died fat and wealthy leading a public life. If the Church or any other elements wanted his life, he was a very easy target. Let's not waffle about loss of secular power. The fact is that neither the Church nor anyone desired enough to assassinate him to make it happen. And assassination was just as big in those days as it is in ours - possibly more so.

This is a repeated claim of yours. Also, you have provided no proof whatsoever. It's about time you did so don't you think?

Fact: Martin Luther had powerful protectors. Without those protectors it is likely he'd have been burned and his bones hung on the door at Wittenburg.

As it was, the RCC had no wish to engage in a Civil War which they'd surely lose.

Fact: Martin Luther left no wealth upon his death.

I seldom use Wikipedia as a source but perhaps you can explain the financial circumstances of Martin Luther's widow.

When Martin Luther died in 1546, Katharina was left in difficult financial straits without Luther's salary as professor and pastor . She was asked to move out of the old abbey and into much more modest quarters with the children who remained at home, but she initially refused. Almost immediately thereafter, Katharina had to leave the Black Cloister on her own at the outbreak of the Schmalkaldic War , from which she fled to Magdeburg . After her return the approach of the war forced another flight in 1547, this time to Braunschweig . In July of that year, at the close of the war, she was at last able to return to Wittenberg. The buildings and lands of the monastery had been torn apart and laid waste. Economically, they could not remain there. Katharina was able to support herself thanks to the generosity of John Frederick I, Elector of Saxony and the princes of Anhalt.

Wealth of Martin Luther

Fact: The "Counter Reformation Pope" Paul III was wealthy and, naturally, corrupt.

Pope Paul III

Kinda chubby too.

Catholic Encyclopedia - Pope Paul III

Incidentally the "son" Pier Luigi mentioned in the article was his eligitimate son.

7,411 posted on 08/07/2010 9:54:08 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: OLD REGGIE
Martin Luther died fat and wealthy leading a public life. If the Church or any other elements wanted his life, he was a very easy target. Let's not waffle about loss of secular power. The fact is that neither the Church nor anyone desired enough to assassinate him to make it happen. And assassination was just as big in those days as it is in ours - possibly more so.

This is a repeated claim of yours. Also, you have provided no proof whatsoever. It's about time you did so don't you think?

I posted a picture of his house - a huge five storey mansion of a building that was a former monastery. He received it as a present. He also had farmland and either sharecroppers or tenant farmers that reported to him. If he squandered his wealth during his life - and there is no way that such an enterprise could not generate wealth especially when supplemented by his salaries from full University lecturer and church pastor.

Fact: Martin Luther had powerful protectors. Without those protectors it is likely he'd have been burned and his bones hung on the door at Wittenburg.

Likely? Can you name them?

Fact: Martin Luther left no wealth upon his death.

Not the fault of his circumstances. Landed gentry - with no debts upon assumption of his estates, plus salaries from a great University plus his salary from his church. That put him in the upper 5%, if not the upper 2%. Read your stated Wiki link for confirmation of some of these details.

Pope Paul III Kinda chubby too.

The Popes of the time brought the Reformation down upon the Church. I trust that they have been eternally rewarded in suitable fashion.

7,438 posted on 08/07/2010 3:40:47 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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