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To: Iscool
Not all. But I consider this significant: that you believe that the Holy Spirit "tries", in effect saying that the Holy Spirit is not enough and that something else is required for one's salvation.

That's right...We must say YES

Then does that make you responsible for your own salvation?

...And we know you guys believe something extra is essential as well

Sure. Saying yes is not enough. It is essential, but not enough. How many who cry Lord, Lord, will not be saved?

You guys don't have to say YES to Jesus, but you do have to get WET

Negative. We must say yes, and we must have some form of baptism. But these by themselves are not enough either. Lord, Lord, doncha know?

7,399 posted on 08/07/2010 8:46:59 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr; Iscool
"Being confident of this very thing, that HE WHICH HATH BEGUN A GOOD WORK IN YOU WILL PERFORM IT UNTIL THE DAY OF JESUS CHRIST." (Philippians 1:6).

Don't you see, Mark. It's not even the believer that is living his life before God.

"I am crucified with Christ; nevertheless I live; YET NOT I, but CHRIST LIVETH IN ME; and the LIFE WHICH I NOW LIVE in the flesh, I live BY THE FAITH OF THE SON OF GOD, who loved me, and gave Himself for me." (Gal. 2:20).

From the moment of salvation until the day of Jesus Christ that good work that was begun in me by God will continue in me, by God. It's the HE that began it and it's the HE that performs it until the day of Jesus Christ. Not me. He.

7,401 posted on 08/07/2010 9:05:05 AM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: MarkBsnr
Then does that make you responsible for your own salvation?

Sure. Saying yes is not enough. It is essential, but not enough. How many who cry Lord, Lord, will not be saved?

What dog are you trying to beat??? You're beating the same dog as the one you are accusing me of beating but the only difference is you claim you have to do something besides consent to your salvation...You have to do 'other' things as well...

And even tho you are wrong, the responsibility ends up with you or me as to whether we accept the gift of salvation...

Sure. Saying yes is not enough. It is essential, but not enough. How many who cry Lord, Lord, will not be saved?

This has got to be you guy's favorite verse to justify your religion...Do you even understand the verse???

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Not THAT is the will of the Father that is referred to in your proof verse of Mat. 7:21...

Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

But who are those that THINK they are doing the will of the Father???

But who are the people that the verse is referring to that will get sent into outer darkness???

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Now which group do you identify with and what group do I identify with???

7,409 posted on 08/07/2010 9:50:48 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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