[bkaycee]

No one Said Mary was totally depraved.

The doctrine of total depravity and BEING totally depraved are 2 totally different things.

To ignore the explanation of the doctrine and insist we mean something other is dumb.

Google total depravity, if you want the definition, its not hard to find.

[D-fendr]

To ignore the explanation of the doctrine and insist we mean something other is dumb.

I agree. Unfortunately, those are the rules applied to us.

If you wish, I've offered to change these rules, but we'll need their agreement.