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To: D-fendr; Dr. Eckleburg
"So, you agree then?"

Why bother to ask? Why don't you just do as Dr. E does and just declare in no uncertain terms that Dr. Eckleburg believes Mary is "totally depraved". And then don't forget to add a link or reference to some nonexistent or dubious website as proof and then close with a gratuitous slander of something Catholic. Remember, when bashing the Church, truth is not important and most often not possible.

6,907 posted on 08/05/2010 6:02:42 AM PDT by Natural Law (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Natural Law
Was Mary totaly depraved?

Mary was human. Mary died and was subject to the curse. Mary thanked God for her Saviour. Mary, like us was subject to total depravity.

Total depravity is the fallen state of man as a result of original sin. The doctrine of total depravity asserts that people are by nature not inclined or even able to love God wholly with heart, mind, and strength, but rather all are inclined by nature to serve their own will and desires and to reject the rule of God. Even religion and philanthropy are wicked to God to the extent that these originate from a human imagination, passion, and will and are not done to the glory of God.

Total depravity does not mean, however, that people are as evil as possible. Rather, it means that even the good which a person may intend is faulty in its premise, false in its motive, and weak in its implementation; and there is no mere refinement of natural capacities that can correct this condition. Thus, even acts of generosity and altruism are in fact egoist acts in disguise. All good, consequently, is derived from God alone, and in no way through man.

6,910 posted on 08/05/2010 6:11:37 AM PDT by bkaycee
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