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To: Alamo-Girl; Quix; don-o; Natural Law; Cronos

I understood his term “Almighty” to include God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. If he meant the Father only, well, the Catholic Church never declared that Mary was the mother of God the Father. If that’s what he meant, his post is erroneous on its face. The Church never said that, nor will it ever say that.

His posts are very incoherent most of the time. A jumbled mess of words, colors, and various font sizes, with some vicious and gratuitous slurs thrown in for extra shock value.


6,814 posted on 08/04/2010 10:28:34 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: Alamo-Girl; Quix; Mad Dawg; don-o

I must add to that post: the Church never said that Mary was the mother of the Trinity, either.

Mary is NOT the mother of God the Father.
Mary is NOT the mother of God the Holy Spirit.
Mary IS the Mother of God the Son. She became His mother when He was conceived in her womb and became man. He is one Person with two natures, Divine and human, and Mary is His Mother.

I don’t know what he means by “Almighty God”. Does he mean the Trinity, God the Father, or God the Son? I’m pretty sure he doesn’t mean the Holy Spirit, but who really knows? It would be nice to get a clarification so a real discussion could take place.


6,817 posted on 08/04/2010 10:37:05 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: Deo volente; Quix; don-o; Natural Law; Cronos
I understood his term “Almighty” to include God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. If he meant the Father only, well, the Catholic Church never declared that Mary was the mother of God the Father. If that’s what he meant, his post is erroneous on its face. The Church never said that, nor will it ever say that.

I suspect the difference is indeed Who one means by using the Name God Almighty (El Shaddai).

But I do not think the Name of God, The Almighty, applies only to God the Father. Jesus is revealing Himself to John in Chapter 1 of Revelation. And at verse 8 He announces and defines several Names of God: I AM, Alpha, Omega, The Lord, The Almighty.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. - Revelation 1:8

Likewise, in this prophecy of the Incarnate Word, several Names of God are announced, Names which we might apply to the Father or the Holy Spirit:

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. – Isaiah 9:6

That verse, btw, clearly reveals the Trinity, i.e. Counsellor is a Name we would consider when speaking of the Holy Spirit.

But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. - John 14:26

[There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. - Romans 8:1

Likewise, in the following verse the Name of God, Spirit, applies to each Person of the Trinity:

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. – Romans 8:9

In my view, it is too easy to get knotted up trying to separate the Names of God and the Persons of God beyond the obvious God the Father, His only begotten Son (Jesus, Christ, Messiah, Emmanuel, Word) and the Holy Spirit.

Perhaps that underscores the word "name" being singular in the following reference to the Trinity:

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: - Matthew 28:19

As for me, I turn to Revelation 5 when meditating on the Trinity. The Father is on the throne and the Son emerges from His midst or bosom and the Spirit extends through Him into the world.

And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. - Revelation 5:1-6

We see the same imagery here:

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him]. - John 1:18

And here:

Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; - Hebrews 1:3

All of this involving the Names of God further underscores my preference for "Mother of the Incarnate Word" as the title for Mary.

God's Name is I AM.

6,826 posted on 08/04/2010 11:04:33 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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