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To: presently no screen name
So the problem with my argument is that it makes sense?

But, if I accept your premises, YOUR argument makes sense. Does that make it bad?

And I am not leaning to My understanding or to human understanding because I trust God's promise to his Church. So I think to abide by the decrees of Ephesus and Chalcedon is exactly to hear and obey the Word of God

I don't think the definitions are any more the will of man or traditions of men than are the theological conclusions of the Council of Jerusalem. It seems to me that council provides precedent for the subsequent councils. So, to me, trusting God to speak at Ephesus and Chalcedon is hearing the word of God and keeping it.

6,615 posted on 08/04/2010 2:43:04 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee. here)
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To: Mad Dawg
trusting God to speak at Ephesus and Chalcedon is hearing the word of God and keeping it

We are told to TEST EVERYTHING. God speaks/has spoken through HIS WORD - and HE does not go against HIS OWN WORD.

my argument is that it makes sense....YOUR argument makes sense.

That's the problem. Obeying God's Word has nothing to do with 'our senses'. That's human understanding. Many of Jesus' teachings don't make 'sense'.

"The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned".

But man in his attempt to understand - in spite of what he is told - leans unto his own senses/understanding/logic. We are all guilty of that - it comes "naturally" (not spiritually).

BTW, my 'argument that made sense' was God's Word not mine. What Truth could I possibly know without HIS Word? none.

Along with 'test everything' with HIS Word - we are to renew our mind - that's taking what God says in HIS WORD and replacing all our sacred cows we held onto dearly over the years with it. Then we are "on our way" to having the mind of Christ - the way HE wants us to see HIM/HIS WAYS, etc. That's HEARING His Word and OBEYING it. On our way but we will never finish until heaven when ALL knowledge will be known.

If we don't know HIS WORD we don't know HIM. Scripture isn't knowing HIM - satan knows scripture - but a fellowship and getting to know HIM as He speaks through His Word. Our fellowship with God is #1 with HIM. That's the reason for Jesus' Resurrection - with our sin nature we were separated from The Father. Now that we are washed clean by the blood of the spotless Lamb and Jesus rent the veil - we can go boldly to Our Father. That's why HE sent Jesus - because HE so loved us - He wanted to have fellowship with us. Imagine that! ;) Like He walked with Adam/Eve. When someone is ALL love they want love, also.

God is not up in heaven with His arms crossed waiting for us to mess up - our messing up is a given - but HIS arms are outstretched towards us. Much like any father who so loves...but HIS love is perfect.
6,641 posted on 08/04/2010 3:31:08 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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