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To: D-fendr; Mad Dawg; metmom

Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Romanist theology make an argument that Immaculate Conception is a necessary precondition to Incarnation?

If that be the case then IC is a necessary premise for Romanists.


6,575 posted on 08/04/2010 1:39:23 PM PDT by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: the_conscience

There’s no such thing as “Romanist theology”. There’s Catholic theology, is that what you meant?


6,577 posted on 08/04/2010 1:43:04 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: the_conscience
but doesn’t [Catholic] theology

Irrelevant, you have a simple syllogism that your debating premises to. It could be about Jack or Harry being human and the same requirements apply.

6,578 posted on 08/04/2010 1:44:14 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: the_conscience
The only such language that I am aware of (not that that's any guide) is that IC is "fitting." It would be fun to see the Latin, but I'd guess "decens" or "decorus."

But in any event, I don't think that's part of the 'definition' and we certainly affirmed to Incarnation for a long time before the IC was defined. So while SOME may say it's necessary, I wouldn't call that necessity de Fide.

I AM, however, talking through my hat. I'm not up on the conversation. ( I AM, however, down fo' the struggle. )

6,581 posted on 08/04/2010 1:49:13 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee. here)
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To: the_conscience; Deo volente; Mad Dawg

Here:

Jane gave birth to Jack
Jack is human
Mary gave birth to a human.

With your premise:

Jane gave birth to Jack
Jack is human
Mary was born by cesarean section
Mary gave to a human

Jane gave birth to Jack
Jack is human
Mary was not born by cesarean section
Mary gave to a human


The third premise does not affect the syllogism, is irrelevant and unnecessary.


6,584 posted on 08/04/2010 1:50:46 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: the_conscience

Funny, I see a lot of side stepping, but no one is answering the question.

I can reword it for a simple *Yes* or *No* answer.

Is the Immaculate Conception a necessary precondition (or prerequisite) for the Incarnation?


6,598 posted on 08/04/2010 2:22:59 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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