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To: dsc; ArrogantBustard; MarkBsnr; Dr. Brian Kopp

“”Insanity and demonic oppression have been bruited about as possible explanations.””

I’m sure that at least 1 pentecostal here on FR is demonic,especially because of the posts against Church teaching on the Blessed Mother in such flamboyant fashion.

The Charismatic Pentecostal movement is new age and people who think they are speaking in tongues are often in touch with the demoniac,

Here is an excerpt from a pretty good article from Catholic apologetics about this..
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/currenterrors/pentcsl.htm

The fact that the unintelligible tongue-speaking experience is found in false pagan religions would indicate that its source is not from god but is a human experience confused for divine intervention. The fact that the same experience is known in, and sometimes outside the religious experience altogether would indicate that its source is not from god. The fact that it can be learned and imitated would indicate that it is not a miracle.

Second, pentecostals will tell you that they know that their gift comes from god, because they “feel it”. As it is, it is quite normal for the devil to come posing as an angel of light, or even god himself, as the following citations from early christian tertullian (160-200? A.d.) shows:

“Let a person be brought before your tribunals who is plainly under demoniacal possession. The wicked spirit, bidden speak by the followers of christ will as readily make the truthful confession that he is a demon as elsewhere he has falsely asserted that he is a god” (tertullian, apolog., tr. Edinburgh, p. 23).

Of course this does not mean that all “speaking in tongues” is demonic such as the speaking in intelligible tongues that we read about in the book of acts of the apostles. In acts 2:4-8. It tells the happenings on the day of pentecost. The twelve apostles miraculously spoke in tongues which they received through the baptism of the holy spirit. These tongues were human languages which the apostles miraculously spoke. But it does very well show that the demons also can perform this “pentecostal miracle of unintelligible tongues” this is further emphasized by the fact that this manifestation common in non-christian occult and satanic religions [it is common in the hindu belief] is identical to many modern pentecostal churches.

“Kundalini in english means ‘the serpent power.’ it is the common hindu belief that within each person resides a “serpent” coiled tightly up at the base of the spine. Through practicing kundalini yoga, along with chanting, mediation, and an impartation from the guru one can have their kundalini awakened. Kundalini yoga is the “power yoga” of hinduism. It is the pathway to supernatural power and godhood. Kundalini yoga can also lead to mental collapse, psychosis, and demon possession or oppression. the awakening can bring up memories of past psychological traumas. The grofs state that “individuals involved in this process might find it difficult to control their behavior; during power rushes of kundalini energy, they often emit various involuntary sounds, and their bodies move in strange and unexpected patterns. Among the most common manifestations ... are unmotivated and unnatural laughter or crying, talking tongues ... and imitating a variety of animal sounds and movements” (p. 78-79). The grofs state that “careful study of the manifestations of kundalini awakening confirm that this process, although sometimes very intense and shattering, is essentially healing” (citing warren smith by permission in an article for spiritual counterfeits project entitled “holy laughter or strong delusion” (fall, 1994, vol. 19.2), p. 14).


6,147 posted on 08/03/2010 5:19:15 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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6,153 posted on 08/03/2010 5:55:13 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: stfassisi

Reference for ‘The Grofs’?

Does not appear to be at the link you provided.

BTW, labeling Holy Spirit fostered activity as of the devil is extremely spiritually hazardous.


6,156 posted on 08/03/2010 6:03:33 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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from:

http://pages.swcp.com/~thewes51/swccc10.html?GXHC_gx_session_id_FutureTenseContentServer=18598115b2ce52e9

The 2010 Conference Theme is

Behold, I make all things new!” (Rev.21:5)

 
The 2010 Southwest Catholic Charismatic Conference will be here sooner than you think!

 

 

The registration fee is $45.00 per adult registrant and $5.00 for children & youth.  Check back frequently because more information is coming soon!  You can begin registering now. 

 

 

Date:  August 13-15, 2010

Location:  Glorieta Conference Center in Glorieta, N.M. It's a beautiful drive about 20 miles north of Santa Fe.

 

Fr. George Montague, SM

Fr. Daniel Balizan

Michael Cumbie

Archbishop Michael Sheehan

Sr. Magdalena Casas-Nava, DLJC

Fr. Alfredo Gaytan, SOLT

Children- Disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ and others.

Youth-The 4 D’s from St. Thomas Aquinas Parish

 

There will also be a special session in Spanish, one for children, and another for youth!

 

 

Complete it and send it along with the          
appropriate fee to:

Catholic Charismatic Center

1412 Fifth St. NW
Albuquerque, New Mexico87102 Phone:  (505) 247-0397 Fax: (505) 843-9147

 


6,163 posted on 08/03/2010 6:11:44 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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Some mostly tolerably balanced

ROMAN CATHOLIC SOURCES AND/OR CORDIALLY RELATED SOURCES

DISCUSSIONS

ETC. ON THE CHARISMATIC RENEWAL WITHIN THE ROMAN CATHOLIC SYSTEM, TOPIC:

http://www.catholiccharismatic.us/

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The Catholic Charismatic Center on the World Wide Web

Serving the members of the Charismatic Renewal in the Roman Catholic Church since October, 1995.

Welcome to the www.catholiccharismatic.us web site and message board (forum).

Many people who visit the www.catholiccharismatic.us web site see only five or six discussion topics listed on the right side of the screen.

If you haven't already done so, try clicking on the [Access Forum] link at the bottom of the list on the right. This will give you access to the complete forum database. There are over three hundred topics and about 1800 messages in the database. Some of the topics were started as long ago as 2003.About 90% of the topics pertain directly to the Catholic Charismatic Renewal.

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Please note that this forum is meant to serve as a resource for producers of CCR related newsletters.

The forum is not meant as a place to debate with, or denigrate, those in the CCR.

As a resource for the CCR on the Web, we are hoping for brief reports of God's signs and wonders, evidence of charismatic activities, testimonies, announcements of Catholic charismatic events, OP-ED articles about the CCR or about the baptism in the Holy Spirit, We also are looking for articles about scriptural and/or theological reflections on the work of Jesus Christ and His Holy Spirit.

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http://www.catholiccharismaticny.org/3rd_06_ignite.pdf

Fairly scholarly book on the topic with extensive excerpts. Appears to be written somewhat from the RC viewpoint.

http://www.ecampus.com/book/9780520204690

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Charismatic_Renewal

Catholic Charismatic Renewal

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The Catholic Charismatic Renewal is a movement within the Catholic Church. Worship is characterized by vibrant Masses, as well as prayer meetings featuring prophecy, healing and "speaking in tongues." This movement is based on the belief that certain charismata (a Greek word for gifts), bestowed by the Holy Spirit, such as the abilities to speak in tongues and to heal (which Christians generally believe existed in the early Church as described in the Bible) should still be practiced today.

A dove, symbolizing the Holy Spirit, who is believed by Christians to confer various gifts.

A Catholic church in Ann Arbor, Michigan describes charismatic prayer:

"A charismatic style of prayer is common at Christ the King. People are free to raise their hands in prayer and during songs, many pray their own prayers audibly, some pray in tongues, etc.... They pray with expressive or charismatic prayer at monthly parish prayer meetings, at the beginning of parish meetings, and most especially during certain moments in the Holy Mass. These are some of the external markers of a charismatic parish. Internal markers include a radical surrender to the Lordship of Jesus Christ in all parts of life, a strong adherence to the Gospel and the teachings of the Catholic Church, and the pursuit of strong friendships centered on Christ."[1]

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[edit] Origins

Pentecost by El Greco

The Catholic Charismatic Renewal as it exists today is the outgrowth from a retreat held in February 1967 of several faculty members and students from Duquesne University, a Catholic university in Pittsburgh operated by the Congregation of the Holy Spirit (a Catholic religious order founded in France in 1703). Many of the students - though not all - claimed to have experienced a movement of God’s Spirit called being “baptized in the Holy Spirit.” The professors had previously been “baptized in the Spirit” a week or two before. Believers felt that "God’s action" was also prepared for in a very human way by the students’ prayerful preparation in reading the Acts of the Apostles and a book entitled The Cross and the Switchblade[2]. What happened quickly spread to graduate students and professors at the University of Notre Dame and others serving in campus ministry in Lansing, Michigan. The movement was given a major endorsement by Léo Joseph Cardinal Suenens (1904–1996), a leading cardinal in the Catholic Church and one of four moderators of the Second Vatican Council.[3]

[edit] The Catholic Charismatic Renewal Today

The Eucharist being elevated during a Catholic Charismatic Renewal Healing Service, in which the faithful not only pray for spiritual and physical healings, but also for miracles.
Praise and Worship during a CCR Healing Service.

As of 2003, the Catholic Charismatic Renewal exists in over 230 countries in the world, having touched over 119 million members [4]. Participants in the Renewal also cooperate with non-Catholic Christians and other Catholics in providing a common witness for evangelization, as encouraged by the Catholic Church.[5]

The Charismatic element of the Church is still as evident today as it was in the early days of Christianity. Some Catholic Charismatic Communities do Healing services / Gospel Power Services / Outreaches / Evangelizations where the tangible presence of the Holy Spirit is felt, and healings and miracles take place [6]. The mission of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal is to educate believers into the totality of the decleration of the gospels. This is done by a personal relationship with Jesus Christ; a one-to-one relationship with Jesus is seen as a possibility by the Chrismatic. He is encouraged to talk to Jesus directly and search for what The Lord is saying so that his life will be one with Him; this is what the Charismatic understands by giving his life to Jesus. Conscience is seen as an alternative voice of Jesus Christ.[7] The charisms as identified in Saint Paul's writings, especially in Romans 12:6-8, 1 Corinthians 12-14, and Ephesians 4:11-12, continue to exist and to build up the Church (see Catechism of the Catholic Church, 2003). The nine charismatic gifts considered extraordinary in character include: faith, expression of knowledge and wisdom, miracles, the gift of tongues and their interpretation, prophecy, discernment of spirits and healing (1 Corinthians 12:8-10; cf. Catechism of the Catholic Church, 2003).[8] These gifts are related to the traditional seven gifts of the Holy Spirit described in Isaiah 11:1-2 (wisdom, understanding, counsel, fortitude, knowledge, piety, and fear of the Lord, as listed in Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1831). The nine charismatic gifts in 1 Corinthians 12:8-10 are also related to the spiritual and corporal works of mercy.[9] Other references to charisms in the Catechism of the Catholic Church include Sections 688, 768, 799-801, 890, 951, 1508 (charism of healing), 2035.

The continuing fruitfulness of this current of grace is apparent in its very practical theological writings. Ralph Martin, a leading figure for decades in the Renewal in the United States, has provided an introduction to deep prayer in his popular book The Fulfillment of all Desire: A Guidebook for the Journey to God Based on the Wisdom of the Saints. Fr. Michael Scanlan, another longtime leader of the Renewal and former President of Franciscan University of Steubenville, Ohio, has authored an introduction to the discernment of spirits entitled What Does God Want?: A Practical Guide to Making Decisions.

[edit] Reaction from the Church hierarchy

Pope John Paul II

The initial reaction to the movement by the Church hierarchy was cautiously supportive. Some initially supported it as being a harbinger of ecumenism (greater unity of Gospel witness among the different Christian traditions). It was thought that these practices would draw the Catholic Church and Protestant communities closer together in a truly spiritual ecumenism. Today, the Catholic Charismatic Renewal enjoys the strong support of the hierarchy, from the Pope to bishops of dioceses around the world, as an officially recognized ecclesial movement.[10]

Two popes have acknowledged the movement: Pope Paul VI and Pope John Paul II. Pope John Paul II stated that the movement was integral to the renewal of the entire Catholic Church. Pope John Paul II (as well as then Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI) acknowledged good aspects of the movement while urging caution, pointing out members must maintain their link to the Catholic Church.[11]

Pope John Paul II, in particular, made a number of statements on the movement. On November 30, 1990, The Pontifical Council for the Laity promulgated the decree which inaugurated the Catholic Fraternity of Covenant Communities and Fellowships. Brian Smith of Brisbane, elected President of the Executive of the Fraternity, called the declaration the most significant event in the history of the charismatic renewal since the 1975 Holy Year international conference and the acknowledgment it received from Pope Paul VI at that time, saying 'It is the first time that the Renewal has had formal, canonical recognition by the Vatican.' [12]

In March 1992, Pope John Paul II stated

At this moment in the Church's history, the Charismatic Renewal can play a significant role in promoting the much-needed defense of Christian life in societies where secularism and materialism have weakened many people's ability to respond to the Spirit and to discern God's loving call. Your contribution to the re-evangelization of society will be made in the first place by personal witness to the indwelling Spirit and by showing forth His presence through works of holiness and solidarity.[13]

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Moreover, during Pentecost 1998, the Pope recognized the essential nature of the charismatic dimension:

"The institutional and charismatic aspects are co-essential as it were to the Church’s constitution. They contribute, although differently, to the life, renewal and sanctification of God’s People. It is from this providential rediscovery of the Church’s charismatic dimension that, before and after the Council, a remarkable pattern of growth has been established for ecclesial movements and new communities."[14]

The Papal Preacher, Rev. Fr. Raniero Cantalamessa, has written on the topic numerous times since 1986.[15]


6,177 posted on 08/03/2010 7:03:28 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: stfassisi

You sound just like a GARB Baptist.

Who woulda thought.....


6,194 posted on 08/03/2010 7:31:39 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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