Testimony of a Former Irish Priest

BereanBeacon.Org ^ | Richard Peter Bennett

[metmom]

According to you guys, at some point during the service, the bread turns into flesh...What prompts the change from bread to flesh??? Is there any instruction in the scripture about how or when this bread turns into flesh???

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me WHEN it changes from the wafer to actual flesh and blood. I've never seen anyone take anything but a small, white disc shaped wafer into his mouth. Not raw flesh with blood on it.

[count-your-change]

Muslims do not worship the God of the Bible, Jehovah/Yahweh.

And all the koran kissing and word games won't change that.

[Natural Law]

Mr. Christian went to church, he never missed a Sunday.

But Mr. Christian went to hell for what he did on Monday.

(well said, Reggie!)

[Brian Kopp DPM]

[metmom]

Mary gave birth to Jesus, not God.

She is not the Mother of God. That’s attributing to her things that are not true.

If you claim that she’s not the Mother of God, per se, then you need to stop calling her that.

The Catholic church is replete with things that it says and then claims it doesn’t really mean. That’s disingenuous and dishonest.

If they’d simply say what they really mean, much of the debate would settle down. Instead we have Catholics twisting and spinning in the wind like wind sock trying to explain how what the Catholic church says isn’t what it really means.

[Natural Law]

"Not raw flesh with blood on it."

Were you to have encountered the physical Christ 2,000 years ago, you would not, with all of the technology available today, have been able to discern the Spiritual presence of Christ. Yet no one denies that Christ was both God and man. Just as the real presence of God was there in the human body of Jesus the real presence of God is present in the Eucharist. That is why it is also often referred to as the Host.

Did you bother to listen to the link I provided or do you prefer to remain ignorant?

[Natural Law]

"Muslims do not worship the God of the Bible, Jehovah/Yahweh."

Still pushing the polytheist angle?

[Natural Law]

"Mary gave birth to Jesus, not God."

Still struggling with the concept of the Trinity I see.

[D-fendr]

No one taught you properly about transubstantiation? First of all it's not chemistry. If you have nothing supernatural in your religion, I'm not sure what you have is actually a religion.

For your question of what changes: Look up transubstantiation, substance and accidents.

[OLD REGGIE]

You are not the first to ask or the first to be answered. The answer is more detailed and thorough than the parsed Paulian accusations thrown out in opposition and requires more space than is available here. If you are really interested you can get a good understanding here:

Defending the Eucharist

Steve Ray - A Baptist convert, now a professional Catholic Apologist.

Now that's an authentic, official, unbiased story.

[D-fendr]

If a non-Catholic view of the Holy Eucharist and the Real Presence of Christ were desired, one would ask a non-Catholic.

So...

What is your view of view of the Holy Eucharist and the Real Presence of Christ? Do you celebrate Eucharist or Communion? Why or why not?

[Natural Law]

"Now that's an authentic, official, unbiased story."

Of course its biased, the question was regarding a Catholic teaching. The only thing you can do to impeach Ray's argument of what the Church Teaches and why is to somehow demonstrate that what Ray is saying in not accurate. It has nothing to do with whether you agree with him or not.

(Thanks for the exercise in objectivity.....not!)

[OLD REGGIE]

"An anathema is simply an administrative pronouncement a step above simple excommunication in which it instructs those remaining in communion to not have any interactions with those anathematized."

Dr E. there is a danger in relying on the word of a loudmouthed amateur for truthful information. He who hollers the loudest is often the most ignorant.

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA - ANATHEMA

[presently no screen name]

If they can't understand this.....

For it is by GRACE you have been saved, through FAITH--and this not from yourselves, it is the GIFT of God--NOT BY WORKS, so that no one can boast.

How could they understand this...

Do this in REMEMBRANCE of me.

Or this.....

As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, "Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you."

Jesus replied, "But even MORE BLESSED are ALL who HEAR the Word of God and OBEY IT."

Hear the Word of God and obey it. NOT Hear and OBEY church doctrine but HIS WORD. So we can see who is blessed and who isn't.

I could go on all day with the RCC teachings and how they go against Jesus' OWN Words. Or to put it mildly, what they don't understand. They understand all right - that's the reason for their 'church doctrine'. The RCC is a separate church run by man. God's CHURCH is based on HIS WORD ALONE and JESUS as THE HEAD.

[count-your-change]

More word games, yes, thank you.

[presently no screen name]

professional Catholic Apologist.

They NEED a professional? LOL!! What's the matter with their subjects - they can't read? Or not allowed to read or interpret on 'their own' - they need a professional to do it for them? Like Barry interpreting Our Constitution for us.

LOL!!!!!

If the Son, therefore, shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

THANK YOU, JESUS! I am free!

[OLD REGGIE]

those who are actually interested in the truth and an honest comparison and contrasting of the different belief systems

That is a requirement for productive and respectful debate here. We can only assume the lack of it reflects a lack of interest in that or the lack of a cogent argument.

I will assume your native language is not English and you are not aware of the standard convention to identify a partial quote. To assume otherwise it would be necessary to believe it was a deliberate attempt to decieve.

Let me help with the full quote:

"Are you incapable of telling the truth even when it is so easily verifiable? Declaring an anathema is not damming anyone to hell. In fact, the Church has never claimed the ability to adjudicate anyone's salvation or damn anyone to hell. That is between you and God. An anathema is simply an administrative pronouncement a step above simple excommunication in which it instructs those remaining in communion to not have any interactions with those anathematized."

"Those falsehoods might make you feel better about yourself and your choices and I am sure that some in your posse feel the same, but to those who are actually interested in the truth and an honest comparison and contrasting of the different belief systems you either foolish or corrupt."

There! That's better. Changes the context doesn't it?

BTW, the given definition was in error.

[D-fendr]

you are not aware of the standard convention to identify a partial quote.

Please. Talk about your Posting Police, now we have the Ellipsis Squad.

[the_conscience]

That certainly is the case in some instances. The difference is that Romanism is built upon the notion that all wisdom is locked up in the institutional Church. Clearly the passage I cited demands that faith be dependent on the sovereignty of God and not based on a speculative philosophy which artificially creates a human edifice as the apex.

[presently no screen name]

It's the old - "IF you can't convince them, confuse them".

If it's not a word game, it's a 'you don't understand', 'you don't know' or 'that's a lie' or when it really gets to them it's 'reading the mind'.

Defending the indefensible isn't easy when TRUTH is presented - and living the indefensible has everlasting consequences.