Posted on 07/15/2010 7:46:51 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
you said if the temple ordinances were not received in ‘this life’
Are you saying that they still need to be performed via proxy or by some other means in the afterlife.
Yes, I do believe that those ordinances will be needed to be performed.
When we are in the state of GRACE than one is not being unkind or mean spirited, spiteful vindictive, set traps for your fellowman to fall into etc
The latter was stating your own mind, what you believe.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do NOT make it personal.
Normandy, I question THIS statement by you...”There are many Latter-day saints who for one reason or another die before receiving temple ordinances, when your quote from D&C 137 states, “All who have died without a knowledge of this Gospel who would have received it if they had been permitted to tarry, shall be heirs of the celestial kingdom of God.”
I would like an explanation of the “reasons LDS die without knowledge of this Gospel” Are these LDS then ignorant of “this Gospel”? How did they become LDS in this ignorance? Did they have to answer the questions to obtain a temple recommend and fail the test? Were all these “many” too young to take out their “endowments” through mission prep or marriage? Does that mean a seventeen-year-old who dies before temple ordinances gets a pass to having proxy work done if he dies? Don’t all seventeen-year-old mormons, including converts, have to “hear this Gospel” to even become members by this age?
I think there are plenty of reasons why an LDS member might not receive their temple ordinances. Early death would be one reason, death after baptism for elderly converts, health issues, distance from temples for some members.
And yes, these ordinances would most likely be performed by proxy for these members after death.
So by another person outright contentious action it would be minding reading to remind them?
You can quote the Bible or your Holy writ to them, you can tell them what you think - but you must not tell them what they think or why they do or say what they do. That is “making it personal.”
I think we had best expand the heresies you will be taught as a mormon...
repost with additions:
Mormon Missionary Deception Method:
1. Convince you of their sincerity
2. Trick you into expressing faith first in the Book of Mormon by praying and asking for a sign (this takes you off the objective ground of Biblical truth and puts you into subjective ground of feelings)
3. Convince you that the Bible has errors in its translation
4. Trick you into expressing faith in the prophet Joseph Smith
5. Trick you into expressing faith in the Restoration of the “Gospel” (see Galatians Chapter one)
6. Get you all the way into the baptismal font...
..........................................................
7. ONLY THEN... you will learn the true DEVIANT doctrines of
Mormonism. At this point, it is too late! You only have
feelings as a basis of truth! You will believe anything.
..........................................................
Such as the following “truths” taught in mormonism ...
The 3 Mormon Earth gods:
The mormon “Heavenly Father” used to be a regular Joe, but became God - his name was Adam. Adam sinned. You will have to swallow that God could sin!
The Jesus of mormonism was a created spirit being who became one of the three mormon earth gods
The mormonic Holy Spirit is also a created spirit being. He doesn’t have a body because he is on probation! Yes, he was naughty. He sinned.
In short, the mormon earth gods are sinful, created spirit beings. But there is more...
The FOURTH Mormon Earth God!
The Mormon Heavenly Mother God!
Yes, believe it or not, it turns out there is a mormonic “Mother God!”
... SHE and the father god have sex
... SHE is eternally pregnant
... SHE pops out spirit children who will some day get a human body on earth
... SHE is probably not alone! Mormons still believe and teach eternal polygamy.
The Mormonic Pantheon of gods:
There are TRILLIONS of mormon gods on other planets.
Hindus have approximately 350 million gods. They are
pikers compared to mormons!
How do they get so many gods? They manufacture more all the
time:
... Any mormon male can be a God with his own planet, mother goddesses, and spirit kids to worship him.
... Becoming a mormon god means lots of works to attain the god-level. This is why you see mormons working so hard. Now you know why.
... Speaking of levels, heaven has three levels.
... All the trillions of gods in the mormon pantheon get together regularly over spring break in Kolob Beach to “counsel together”
What will your life be like as a mormon?
... you have to give 10%?
... your bishop is there to ask if you gave your FULL tithe
... your bishop is also there to ask many probing, personal, embarrassing questions
... Did we mention you will
... you will have to complete Masonic Temple rituals that involve strangers touching your private parts
... You will have to wear magic underwear 24/7/365
Once inside the Morg, you have to accept it ALL to move up the chain towards Godhood.
Is one allowed to tell another they are being deceived or that they are deceived etc?
they follow an evil spirit?
You were listening to an evil spirit?
you are being Morontic as in demontic etc?
Is one allowed to tell another they are being deceived or that they are deceived etc?
they follow an evil spirit?
You were listening to an evil spirit?
you are being Morontic as in demontic etc?
This post about the LDS is all wrong and deceptive
Whoever chooses to engage in such pracitic is not a child of God nor even knows God in their heart this is just lip service and nothing more.
My conversion was the fact that the Bible was my benchmark for the spirit of the Lord dwells there that is where I first felt the Lord spirit as a child which comfort me through hard times.
It is the same voice, should I be reading passagees in the Bible or reading passages in the Book of Mormon which is another testament of Jesus Christ!
This conversion all happen way before I ever met a missionarie!
Mormon Tabernacle Choir sings “Israel, Israel, God is Calling
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv0RPWcmhfc
“This post about the LDS is all wrong and deceptive”
... Oh, really?! Please then, it should be simple to pick just 3 things and tell us why they are wrong. :-) But, of course you cannot.
“Whoever chooses to engage in such pracitic is not a child of God nor even knows God in their heart this is just lip service and nothing more.”
... Oh, now you also do “soul reading” in addition to mind reading??
“It is the same voice, should I be reading passagees in the Bible or reading passages in the Book of Mormon which is another testament of Jesus Christ!”
... I think it is probably a demonic voice, but of course I don’t know. I do know that the Holy Spirit (the real One) would not tell someone that the heresy of mormonic cultism is true.
“This conversion all happen way before I ever met a missionarie!”
... Satan is amazing in his power, but also evil. Beware.
... now, about those three falsehoods... let’s see what you got.
ampu
... mormon crickets chirping in the late afternoon
I don’t engage in made up strawman bolony!
who ever put that distorted mess togather is carring the devils water try to undermind the true Church!
I am merely pointing out that there is no such fact as you have stated.
In your reply to me you changed the statement to hear many of the great ones
So we went from "it is a fact" to "there are many".
It is no wonder people may get frustrated with you.
What is wrong about post 207?
Once you have the foundation basic one can go anywhere they want because it is like a spring board a home base to always lunch from.
I am talking mainly about the pianist the proper figuring and scales established and a person who does not read music will learn these things along the way if someone will share it with them. If the figuring isn't right and the scales are not solid that can really put a cramp into ones style.
and then there are those who have studied classical music which is a part of their repertoire and use it to incorporate various avenues they venture off to!
The more one has in their repertoire the greater the advantage they over those who are deficient in that area.
Skill and technique comes from hours and hours of practiced a person who might not read music can do many wonderful things but nothing will ever make up or replace the hours of work one put into practice to get the body to perform with such proficiency.
“I don’t engage in made up strawman bolony!”
Which is easier to say, “I don’t engage in made up strawman bolony!”
Or, “Here are the three things that are dead wrong about that list...
1.
2.
3.
Short of that, the list stands unopposed, unrefuted, totally true about mormonism.
Which demonstrates why mormonism cannot be the restoration
of the Christian Church. Nothing on that list is Christian...
... and it is what mormonism teaches.
Your strawman is on fire!
ampu
Mormon Missionary Deception Method:
1. Convince you of their sincerity
2. Trick you into expressing faith first in the Book of Mormon by praying and asking for a sign (this takes you off the objective ground of Biblical truth and puts you into subjective ground of feelings)
3. Convince you that the Bible has errors in its translation
4. Trick you into expressing faith in the prophet Joseph Smith
5. Trick you into expressing faith in the Restoration of the “Gospel” (see Galatians Chapter one)
6. Get you all the way into the baptismal font.............................................................
7. ONLY THEN... you will learn the true DEVIANT doctrines of
Mormonism. At this point, it is too late! You only have
feelings as a basis of truth! You will believe anything...........................................................
Such as the following “truths” taught in mormonism ...
The 3 Mormon Earth gods:
... The mormon “Heavenly Father” used to be a regular Joe, but became God - his name was Adam. Adam sinned. You will have to swallow that God could sin!
... The Jesus of mormonism was a created spirit being who became one of the three mormon earth gods
... The mormonic Holy Spirit is also a created spirit being. He doesn’t have a body because he is on probation! Yes, he was naughty. He sinned.... In short, the mormon earth gods are fallen, sinful, created spirit beings.
... and there is more...
The FOURTH Mormon Earth God they don't like to talk about
... The Mormon Heavenly Mother God!
... Yes, it turns out there is a mormonic “Heavenly Mother God!”
... SHE and the father god have sex
... SHE is eternally pregnant
... SHE pops out spirit children who will some day get a human body on earth and can become gods themselves
... SHE is probably not the only godess! Mormons still believe and teach eternal polygamy - sister godesses
The Mormonic Pantheon of Trillions of gods:
... There are TRILLIONS of mormon gods on other planets. No one knows how many. It could be infinite.
... Hindus have approximately 350 million gods. They are pikers compared to mormons!... How do they get so many gods? They manufacture more all the time:
... Any mormon male can be a God with his own planet, mother goddesses, and spirit kids to worship him.
... Becoming a mormon god means lots of works to attain the god-level. This is why you see mormons working so hard. Now you know why.They have to prove themselves worthy of godhood.
... All the trillions of gods in the mormon pantheon get together regularly over spring break in Kolob Beach to “counsel together”
What will your life be like as a mormon?
... you have to give 10%? - if not, no top level of heaven for you!
... your bishop is there to ask if you gave your FULL tithe - he may ask to see your pay stubs
... your bishop is also there to ask many probing, personal, embarrassing questions
... you will have to complete Masonic Temple rituals that involve strangers touching your private parts
... You will have to wear magic underwear 24/7/365
Once inside the Morg, you have to accept it ALL to move up the chain towards Godhood. This is just the start!
If you let me sing bass.
I’ve soloed (Not before a crowd like YOU described) but at church and also sing in the choir.
Not much call for either these days as the younger generation wants to sing ‘praise music’.
(I think it’s bland and repetitive.)
But fair disclosure requires me to say that JS was 'translating' the KJV that HE knew - NOT the oldest copies of existing manuscripts with NO chapters and verses.
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