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To: dangus

I would say the most controversial is number 4; Even if you accept the concept of transubstantiation, it seems quite a leap from believing Christ has physically appeared on your lips in human form, to believing that the Mass itself mystically transports you to Calvary in a sacrifice equal to that of Calvary.

I’m not sure however that I’ve ever seen a Catholic argue that before, so it could well be that this assertion is contested even with the body of Catholic believers.


9 posted on 07/13/2010 12:05:22 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

No, we really believe that. I used to say that Scientologists had nothing on us, we seriously believe the time/space continuum rips wide open at every Mass. I know it sounds crazy, but no crazier than the Incarnation, Passion and Resurrection.


12 posted on 07/13/2010 12:57:07 AM PDT by Legatus
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Let’s say that #4 is the most incredible. Among reasonably educated Catholics, however, there is universal recognition that such is the teaching of the Catholic church, which is not to say that everyone who knows it is the teaching of the Catholic Church subscribes to that belief.


23 posted on 07/13/2010 7:01:09 AM PDT by dangus
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Not controversial at all to those who believe the words of Christ.


24 posted on 07/13/2010 7:01:09 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I would say the most controversial is number 4; Even if you accept the concept of transubstantiation, it seems quite a leap from believing Christ has physically appeared on your lips in human form, to believing that the Mass itself mystically transports you to Calvary in a sacrifice equal to that of Calvary.

I’m not sure however that I’ve ever seen a Catholic argue that before, so it could well be that this assertion is contested even with the body of Catholic believers.
The teachings of the Church (the Pope and the Magisterium) on dogmatic faith and morals cannot be contested and any Catholic who thinks they can has a false (and Protestant) understanding of the Catholic Church.
28 posted on 07/13/2010 7:47:57 AM PDT by fightingirishthomas (O, Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee ...)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

IT’s a mystery, Charles. It’s a mystic religion, in the end.


33 posted on 07/13/2010 7:57:10 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Hitler Was Their Fate and their Fate Could Not Be Stayed. Von Braustitch.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
mystically transports you to Calvary in a sacrifice equal to that of Calvary.

It isn't just "equal to." It just plain IS. The Eucharist IS the Sacrifice of Calvary in an unbloody manner.

44 posted on 07/13/2010 10:11:56 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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