Posted on 07/12/2010 10:28:06 PM PDT by Quix
I think they have armed themselves with long rulers, whacking the knuckles of those who dare to disagree.
the sisters of mercy and tolerance marches on. with their jack boots stomping in unison.
7. There Is No Salvation Outside Of The Catholic Church – Originally stated by St. Cyprian, the Latin axiom “Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus” reminds us that there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church. This dogma was declared at the Fourth Lateran Council and is a source of confusion for Catholics and non-Catholics alike. According to the Catechism, all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is His Body. It does not mean that non-Catholics cannot achieve salvation. Individuals who are unaware that the Catholic Church is the one, true Church may still achieve salvation through the merits of the Church, despite their lack of knowledge.
But, but ,but, I’ve been told, over and over, strongly and emphatically, that that is NOT what the Catholic church teaches, that I’ve made it up, that I’m mistaken, that I’m relating contrived anecdotes.
How can this be?!?!?!
Wellllllllllllllll . . . how CAN that be . . . ? . . .
based on VERY convoluted:
1. RUBBERY THINKING based on
2. RUBBERY HISTORY &
3. RUBBERY ‘Bibles” &
4. RUBBERY DICTIONARIES &
5. RUBBERY ‘logic’ &
6. RUBBERY ‘theology’ &
7. RUBBERY engulfing tyrannical power-mongering &
. . .
. . .
I suspect you are well read hereon enough to know that
a sizeable percentage of RC’s hereon are rather routinely and chronically emphatic
about the Vatican INSTITUTION and ONLY the Vatican Institution
comprises, equals, is totally and the only authentic Body of Christ on earth.
Further, that there is NO salvation apart from the Vatican Institution and slavishly following her edicts, rituals etc.
Yeah, there are some relatively few RC’s who mildly to moderately protest occasionally.
On the whole, on such issues, it is the rabid cliques who in volume and frequency seem to carry the day and the white hanky flag of EXCLUSIVIST ROMAN CATHOLIC DOGMA . . . LONG LIVE THE IN-GROUP AND TO BLAZES WITH THE OUT-GROUPS mentality.
That’s the NORM around these parts.
So qualifications such as yours just don’t ring very true nor hold much water.
We’ve been sold far too often and far too intensely the bill of goods that the above is the truly truest true truth of salvation and the Roman Catholic way to the Roman Catholic Heaven . . . via purgatory, of course.
When seemingly the VAST BULK of the RC’s hereon either overtly and loudly or by seeming ‘UNNHHUUUUNNH’S’ AND ‘AMEN’S’ assent to, if not out right applaud such descriptions of ‘spiritual reality,’ I think Proddys can understandably be considered to at least be paying attention when we accept the fact that
THOSE WHO CALL THEMSELVES [ROMAN] CATHOLICS ADHERE TO SUCH IDEAS, DOGMA, RITUALS, MENTALITIES. AND THEREFORE, THAT’S WHAT COMPRISES BEING A ROMAN CATHOLIC.
ALL THE MORE SO WHEN EVEN A LOT OF THE MORE “SPIRITUAL” of the lot—who otherwise—tend to SOUND more spiritual and mostly behave MORE spiritual than a lot of the rabid clique sorts—when THOSE characters hereon also tend to subscribe to such notions and applaud such notions, then we are left inescapably with accepting that as
AT LEAST WELL ABOVE AVERAGE LIFE-AS-A-ROMAN-CATHOLIC-FACT.
That is, when a vast majority of Roman Catholics assert, behave, communicate that as basic Roman Catholic truth, those minority clusters of RC’s who claim otherwise can only be viewed as the peripheral minority being prissy about hair splitting distinctions.
If you really want to get your brain tied up in knots, remember that the pope said non-Catholics could be saved, and the pope is not infallible.
Ahhhhhhhhhhh. THERE YOU HAVE IT!
The reason for all the
INSTITUTIONALIZED RUBBERY STUFF.
They HAVE to have rubbery brains to cope with all the convoluted self-contradictory stuff . . . and still get a little sleep at nights.
Save us the finger pointing and post all the data from your catechism as to requirements for salvation...
EXCELLENT SUGGESTION.
I wonder how many dozens of pages and umpteen hundred cross references that will take!
Is there a basement division of the Vatican . . . or maybe in a lofty tower somewhere . . .
that spends all their time dreaming up these fantasies?
Thanks for your kind words and understanding.
Yeah, that jack-booted image sort of just jumps out vividly from all the brazen evidence.
Thx.
I see no problem with this. Of course, anyone validly baptized by Trinitarian formula is baptized into the One True Church, since there is only One True Church.
How does that square exactly with "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38).
Are these two different baptisms?
All of Christianity is under attack. The attack is two pronged being from without by those who want an end to any influence believers have on the moral direction of this culture and by those within who want the churches to be lead by the culture.
The latter are more dangerous because they know the language of faith and twist it to apply a Christian gloss to immoral and sinful behavior. By doing this they weaken the voice of the churches to stand against such horrors as abortion. Or worse yet to give support to such crimes against God.
And they are able to make inroads because too many Christians (especially Catholics) have been so poorly instructed in the faith they can’t even tell when they are being handed a load of manure. Like the whole “Jesus never said anything about gay marriage.” argument.
And by the time the vast majority of your cohorts hereon get done defining/explaining
it is defined yet again as ONLY that under the Vatican umbrella or at least more or less IN COMMUNION with the Vatican.
Aren't any of y'all going to be honest about that phenomenon hereon?
"Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position."
--2 Peter 3:15-17
Lots of lawless men and errors these days. Thank the Lord He built a Church to guide us, and didn't leave us to our own personal fallible interpretations of scripture.
EXCELLENT POINTS, IMHO.
THX.
Might I suggest a change in your tagline . . .
hug your babies . . . as often as mutually workable, the rest of their lives.
I’ve known teens who were reared well enough that they enjoyed hugs even in front of school mates by either parent.
Some parents do it right.
I see no problem with this. Of course, anyone validly baptized by Trinitarian formula is baptized into the One True Church, since there is only One True Church.
You will not have salvation until you ask YHvH for His salvation. It would appear that being validly baptized by
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Trinitarian formula only guarentees that you
are a member of the Roman "church".
Holy Spirit is more than able to impress on individuals and groups what HIS priority meaning is.
If He’s not doing so . . . folks may have spiritual wax in their spiritual ears . . . or Holy Spirit may not be making everything the priority the humans think He needs to at that time in that context.
The Pharisees JUST KNEW Jesus HAD to make certain petty things a PRIORITY.
GOD had a different opinion.
Please elaborate.
1. I have an aversion . . . even a hostility . . . toward the special exclusivist terms of the Roman system.
2. I don’t remeber what they all mean. I don’t really want to remember such stuff.
MUCH MORE FALLIBLE
in my observation
than the Proddy groups individually or lumped together.
A self-righteous, bureaucratic, political, self-serving, magicsterical power-mongering elite
is ALWAYS going to be more fallible than earnest common folks taking God at His Word and trying to work out their own salvation with fear and trembling as God instructed.
As God in His time will make abundantly clear.
Already, it's clear that the Vatican is headed down the globalist yellow brick road.
THAT'S a LOT more fallible than I want to be anywhere near.
Agreed.
Been meaning to ask you . . .
What is this all about?
And is there anything interesting to be learned from it?
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