To: chatter4
The word into can also be translated as against. The word shape means a pattern. Thomas was looking for a way to identify Jesus and strike his side to see if he was really there. Not so. The Greek reads almost exactly as the KJV translates it. And tupos does not mean "shape" in any sense. Literally, it means the stamp of a die; when used of the human body, it means "scar".
To: John Locke
"The word into can also be translated as against. The word shape means a pattern. Thomas was looking for a way to identify Jesus and strike his side to see if he was really there. Not so. The Greek reads almost exactly as the KJV translates it. And tupos does not mean "shape" in any sense. Literally, it means the stamp of a die; when used of the human body, it means "scar"." From Strongs Dictionary G5179 τύπος tupos too'-pos From G5180; a die (as struck), that is, (by implication) a stamp or scar; by analogy a shape, that is, a statue, (figuratively) style or resemblance; specifically a sampler (type), that is, a model (for imitation) or instance (for warning): - en- (ex-) ample, fashion, figure, form, manner, pattern, print. Again, look at the context of John, chapter 20. Was the writer trying to prove how Jesus was put to death or was he trying to prove he was resurrected? Did Thomas doubt Jesus had died? Is crucifixion the only thing that could have caused a pattern from nails on Jesus's hands? Was he not a carpenter? Were nails 2000 years ago the smooth wire we have today? You say that the word "tupos" did not mean a shape in any way, but that is clearly not true. Does a pattern not have a shape? Does a scar not have a shape? Act 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon. Did these figures not have a shape? Act 7:44 Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as he had appointed, speaking unto Moses, that he should make it according to the fashion that he had seen. The word fashion is "tupos". Did the tabernacle not have a shape? Didn't the Roman's tie metal hooks and nails to the strands of their flogs or scourges?
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07/06/2010 8:05:55 AM PDT by
chatter4
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