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Amid Church Abuse Scandal, an Office That Failed to Act (Ratzinger)
NYT ^ | July 1, 2010 | LAURIE GOODSTEIN and DAVID M. HALBFINGER

Posted on 07/02/2010 4:21:11 AM PDT by TSgt

In its long struggle to grapple with sexual abuse, the Vatican often cites as a major turning point the decision in 2001 to give the office led by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger the authority to cut through a morass of bureaucracy and handle abuse cases directly.

The decision, in an apostolic letter from Pope John Paul II, earned Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, a reputation as the Vatican insider who most clearly recognized the threat the spreading sexual abuse scandals posed to the Roman Catholic Church.

But church documents and interviews with canon lawyers and bishops cast that 2001 decision and the future pope’s track record in a new and less flattering light.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: benedict; pope; ratzinger
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To: Religion Moderator

Yuck.

I took Vitamin B6 in China. Helped a lot—mosquitos don’t like the smell resulting somehow. May take 6 weeks to build up sufficiently.

I take it here, too and haven’t been troubled this year.


141 posted on 07/02/2010 10:05:17 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Religion Moderator

You’ve convinced me. I’m going to have a spoonful of Hagen Daz before I go to bed.


142 posted on 07/02/2010 10:06:29 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Alex Murphy

LOL!


143 posted on 07/02/2010 10:17:46 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Quix

LOL! And thanks for the tip.


144 posted on 07/02/2010 10:19:11 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Cut the ermine and silver and jewels and Prada shoes stuff. The vestments are museum pieces and the Vatican a museum. The First Baptist Church if Dallas, TX and many of the mega churches have as much material wealth as the Vatican, and its host of preachers and Amen corner people enjoy as much or more material wealth as the Vatican clergy. If they are going for apostolic poverty, let them imitate St. Francis and strip themselves of the Hart, Schaefner and Mark suits.


145 posted on 07/03/2010 2:07:00 AM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: Religion Moderator; Dr. Eckleburg
[Dr. Eckleburg:] [...] was to apply cold compresses, something like Cortaid and lots of ice cream.

Ice cream sounds particularly good.

I dunno... trying to type with a scoop of ice cream under yer eye-patch is libel to lead to keyboard failure...

"Arrgh! I be drippin' in me keys!"

146 posted on 07/03/2010 2:15:48 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: roamer_1

libel=liable. :P


147 posted on 07/03/2010 2:17:50 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: roamer_1

LOL!


148 posted on 07/03/2010 6:57:27 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: roamer_1; Religion Moderator
dunno... trying to type with a scoop of ice cream under yer eye-patch is libel to lead to keyboard failure...

LOL. Now you know why I don't play a doctor on TV. 8~)

I should have added to the RM that it helps to take an antihistamine after a bug bite.

Works with whipped cream or without.

149 posted on 07/03/2010 11:50:16 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: RobbyS; TSgt; RnMomof7; Alex Murphy; HarleyD; wmfights; Forest Keeper; the_conscience; ...
Cut the ermine and silver and jewels and Prada shoes stuff. The vestments are museum pieces and the Vatican a museum.

lol. A museum? This just gets goofier as the defense crumbles. Per Wikipedia...

Vatican may refer to:

* Holy See, the central governing body of the Catholic Church and sovereign entity recognized by international law, consisting of the Pope and the Roman Curia

o An informal term for the Catholic Church, particularly when attributing doctrine

o Roman Curia, the administrative apparatus of the Holy See

+ Vatican Library, of the Roman Curia

+ Vatican Secret Archives, which were separated from the Vatican Library in the 17th century

+ Vatican Publishing House, the publisher of official documents of the Holy See, separated from the Vatican Library in 1926

* Vatican Hill, a hill in Rome, after which the Vatican is named, on the opposite side of the Tiber from the traditional seven hills of Rome

o Vatican City, the territory on the Vatican Hill in Rome under the sovereignty of the Holy See created by the 1929 Lateran Treaty

o Apostolic Palace, the official residence of the Pope on the Vatican Hill (sometimes referred to as the Vatican Palace)

o St. Peter's Basilica, also known as the Vatican Basilica, the principal church on the Vatican Hill

o Vatican Museums

"Vatican museums" is almost an after thought.

Thanks for the advice on how and what to post, but I'll continue to use the garish popish vestments of Rome as a good example showing that the papacy 1) doesn't have its priorities straight and 2) enjoys dressing up in female attire.

The First Baptist Church if Dallas, TX and many of the mega churches have as much material wealth as the Vatican,

lolol. That is just about the funniest thing I've read in a long time. The Vatican wealth eclipses that of most countries in the world. Even after paying out billion in judgments to settle the sins of pederast priests, Rome still has billions and billions left over.

If Rome is so concerned about the plight of the poor, Rome could liquidate its jewel collections and rare books and masterpiece paintings and antique furniture and open its coffers to actually helping out the poor instead of continuing to take from them.

150 posted on 07/03/2010 12:15:48 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
enjoys dressing up in female attire.

Isn't Ratzinger like "order of the clam" or something? Now that is just weird

151 posted on 07/03/2010 12:35:29 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
clams


152 posted on 07/03/2010 12:40:50 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

does kinda look like museum curtains tho


153 posted on 07/03/2010 12:42:16 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings

“what, THIS? I just saw it in the window and I couldn’t resist..”


154 posted on 07/03/2010 12:44:44 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Defending the Indefensible. The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: small voice in the wilderness

yes, after all it had clams


155 posted on 07/03/2010 12:47:08 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings

lol!


156 posted on 07/03/2010 12:48:35 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Defending the Indefensible. The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Looking at matters objectively, the Vatican is not much more extensive than the holdings of the First Baptist Church in down town Dallas. Add up the personal holdings of its members and you have several billion dollars. You have a bourgeois prejudice against the Renaissance decor and trappings on display at the Vatican. But I will agree to let the clergy there to make a bondfire of them said garments if all the preachers at the First Baptist Church agree to imitate St. Francis and strip naked in front of their congregation, and walk out naked onto the streets and join the homeless sleeping—voluntarily under I-45. and depend on panhandlng for their daily bread. Or to put the matter another way, imitate Our Lord who pretty much did the same thing. Or to take to the road liked St. Paul did and risk everything in order to bring the Gospel to the World.


157 posted on 07/03/2010 12:55:50 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: 1000 silverlings
does kinda look like museum curtains tho


158 posted on 07/03/2010 1:13:43 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: RobbyS; Dr. Eckleburg

Baptist pastors better not be stripping naked in front of their congregations, and by the way, neither did Christ. The practice may be Roman Catholic but not Christian


159 posted on 07/03/2010 1:21:38 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

are those curtains a size 10 right off the rack, er, wall?


160 posted on 07/03/2010 1:22:44 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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