Posted on 06/28/2010 12:23:15 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
Secular source. You know as well as I do that the lamestream media doesn’t like the Catholic Church.
I wish you would search for the real truth instead of going for secular souces.
lol, it works here
Actual story and Pope Benedict's words:
[Catholic Caucus] Benedict XVI: Belgian Raids: Laments "Deplorable Manner" of Police Searches
Now a question for you -- What would your reaction be if Presbyterian ministers' graves were treated in such a manner? I bet you would find that manner deplorable too.
Note the last paragraph of that Zenit article where the Pope wants to work with the civil authorities "with a guarantee for the fundamental rights of persons and institutions, in respect to the victims, in recognition without prejudice of those who are committed to cooperate with it and in the rejection of all that casts a shadow on the noble work assigned to it."
I suspect my view is not all that different then yours concerning the criminals. Don't protect them, cooperate with law enforcement and if guilty put them in the toughest prison you can find and throw away the key.
However, the idea that I should support someone who given the opportunity would abolish might right to worship at the church of my choice doesn't make sense. If you think this is all past history that we should forget about, look at Russia today and what your sister church is doing to make evangelizing that country impossible.
Yep, you suspect correctly. In the late 60s there was this movement to liberalize the Church, and people got into positions of power who shouldn’t have. Folks that, for instance, actually favored having homosexuals in the seminary and who made it their business to get that done—with or without the bishop’s knowledge. You can imagine how much damage that did. We are coming out of it now, but it’s slow going.
Your concern re: Catholic abolition of Protestant worship is understandable. Up until the American Revolution, the Catholic Mass was illegal in almost every colony. So I’d be pretty daft not to understand the point.
Of course, no one has a moral right to heresy. And I think we both want to focus on worshiping at the Church Christ chose for us, not the one we chose ourselves—only in this era of discordant voices it’s not always easy to discern that. But I think over the last 500 years both sides are coming to an understanding that abolition by force isn’t all its cracked up to be. People have rights regardless of the errors to which they adhere—and we are admonished by Our Lord to let the tares grow with the wheat lest we in our overzealousness tear out some of the latter.
The climate just isn’t there for that kind of oppression now. Especially in this country that is majority Protestant. The biggest threat I see is from the secularists—who want both our hides.
I feel sorry for the people that really love their church ..there is no way to justify the acts of the men or their defense by the pope..This is a rude awaking for many.. This shows the church is indeed capable of lying about their doctrine or church history if it benefits the “church”
And another chance to to be saved purely by Grace through faith.
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God; NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast". (Ephesians 2:8,9).
"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.For men shall be lovers of their own selves,covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers,disobedient to parents, unthankful,unholy...having a FORM of godliness, but DENYING THE POWER THEREOF; from such turn away". (2 Timothy 3:1,2,5).
"for the time will come when they will not endure SOUND DOCTRINE! But after their own lust shall they heap to themselves teachers having itching ears, and they shall turn away their ears from THE TRUTH and shall be turned unto fables". (2Timothy4:3,4).
They’re probably burning documents in Germany as I write.
Those officers carrying out the raids will be moved to police precinct down the road... that should take care of the problem...
Those officers carrying out these raids will be reassigned to a police precinct down the road... that should take care of the problem...
Amen
The black areas are those with the highest concentration
of Catholics according to the 1934 census.
The black areas show the highest concentration of
Nazi votes in the 1932 election (white the lowest).
This is another presentation. It shows how different constituencies in Germany voted in the 1932 Reichstag elections which brought Hitler to power. Elevation shows the Catholic/Protestant mix (higher = more Catholics) and color shows Nazi vote share (more red = higher Nazi share of the vote).
I can see why you might not love yours.
there is no way to justify the acts of the men or their defense by the pope.
The Pope hasn't defended or justified the acts of the men. Quite the opposite.
This shows the church is indeed capable of lying about their doctrine or church history if it benefits the “church”
It shows no such thing.
His party did better with Protestants:
Although Hitler's political career began in Munich, in the elections of 1928 to November 1932 the NSDAP won a higher share of the vote in Protestant than in Catholic Germany. In the Catholic Rhineland and Bavaria (apart from Protestant Franconia) it polled disproportionately badly. In fact in July 1932 the Nazi share of the vote was almost twice as high in Protestant as in Catholic areas.
Thanks for that historical analysis.
There minds are made up, don’t confuse them with facts.
Some of you on this board have a rather truncated notion of history to applaud secular overreach into ecclesiastical affairs. Remember the Magna Carta, that we supposedly respect in this country and that we tout as a forerunner of our Declaration of Independence? Here's its VERY FIRST stipulation:
1. In the first place we have granted to God, and by this our present charter confirmed for us and our heirs for ever that the English church shall be free,and shall have her rights entire, and her liberties inviolate;
Don't bother raising an eyebrow and asking yourself whether this is justified or not. Just stand in the crowd, point at the enemy of the state and have a good old fashioned laugh.
'Cause you are next, whether you are wise enough to realize it or not.
Since less than 1% of Belgiums are Protestant you might have a difficult time finding any to raid.
Please note:
with 75% of the people practicing it. Other religions prevalent in Belgium are Islam (3.5%), Protestantism and Judaism (both less than 1%). Hinduism and Buddhism also have some followers in Belgium.
Although regular church attendance is high in the Flemish region and the Ardennes, it has decreased in the Walloon industrial region and in Brussels .
Religion has often played an important role in Belgium's politics. The constitution provides for freedom of religion , and the government generally respects this right in practice.
http://www.spainexchange.com/guide/BE-religion.htm ************************************************************
Let's try again.
That is astounding.
Thank God. Belgium is riddled with corruption, apparently taught and practiced at the highest levels of its government and ecclesiocracy.
Hi, Reggie!
As for Belgium:
The Government accords “recognized” status to Roman Catholicism, Protestantism (including evangelicals), Judaism, Anglicanism, Islam, and Orthodox Christianity (Greek and Russian). These religions receive subsidies from government revenues. The Government also supports the freedom to participate in laic organizations. These secular humanist groups serve as a seventh recognized “religion,” and their organizing body, the Central Council of Non-Religious Philosophical Communities of Belgium, receives funds and benefits similar to those of the six other recognized religions.
The Federal Government and Parliament have responsibility for recognizing faiths and paying the wages and pensions of ministers. As a result of constitutional reforms enacted by Parliament in 2001, religious teaching, accounting by religious groups, and religious buildings have become the jurisdiction of the regional governments. Laic organizations remain under the jurisdiction of the federal authorities.
By law each recognized religion has the right to provide teachers at government expense for religious instruction in schools. The Government also pays the salaries, retirement, and lodging costs of ministers and subsidizes the construction and renovation of religious buildings for recognized religions. The ecclesiastical administrations of recognized religions have legal rights and obligations, and the municipality in which they are located must pay any debts that they incur. Some subsidies are the responsibility of the Federal Government, while the regional and municipal governments pay others. According to an independent academic review, the Government at all levels spent $523 million (approximately 23 billion Belgian francs) on subsidies for recognized religions in 2000.
Of that amount, 79.2 percent went to the Catholic Church, 13 percent to laic organizations, 3.5 percent to Muslims, 3.2 percent to Protestants, 0.6 percent to Jews, 0.4 percent to Orthodox Christians, and 0.1 percent to Anglicans.
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