[Ken4TA]

Here is a list of the articles in the order they should be read in. When completed (there are 14 of them) one should have a good idea of this conditionalist theology.

1. The Promise to Abraham
2. The Millennial Syndrome
3. Daniel’s Prophecy
4. What About The Rapture?
5. The Abomination of Desolation

[Tzfat]

Then there are those troublesome passages like Isaiah 66, Zechariah 14, Ezekiel 36-38... man-o-man, why can’t we just have a nice neat package of supercessionism and get on with our lives as the “new Israel” - why does the Bible always mess up our nice little praeterist theology?

[Upstate NY Guy]

Ping for study

[kindred]

Near fulfillment, far fulfillment. As it has been, so shall it be. Bible prophecy has a partial near fulfillment and a full far fulfillment, those who are satisfied with the partial fulfillment overlook the many prophecies not fulfilled and there is so much to overlook it would be ridiculous to assume that near fulfillment is all of it.
The church is not strong enough to overcome Satan and his ungodly angels and minions, this can and will be accomplished only by the second coming of Jesus Christ at the Lord's second coming to Israel (at the end of the 7 year tribulation of Revelation) as conquering King of the earth with His holy angels and all the saints that will be raptured before the 7 year tribulation begins.
Then every prophecy is fulfilled, not one jot or tittle is left undone.

[rawcatslyentist]

I'd say that gold colored abomination is an abomination! is-Slime certainly brings desolation where ever it is in place.

And just where is that affront to G_d built?

How many buildings have been built on that location now? Which one is this?

[B-Chan]

[dartuser]

Again, as I have argued in my post on the third article, the 70 weeks prophecy cannot have been completely fulfilled yet. If you take the 70th week as 3 1/2 years before and after the death of Christ you will arrive at a contradiction. The analysis breaks down in your assertion that the "He" in Dan 9:27 is Christ.

And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering ...

As I said before, the death of Christ did not literally end the sacrifice and grain offerings ... these literally ceased when the temple was destroyed 40 years later.

You can't really continue to seriously argue for the past fulfillment of Daniels 70 weeks until you address this issue.

[Uncle Chip]

Matthew: “When therefore you see the abomination of desolation, which spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let him that reads understand) then let them that are in Judea flee unto the mountains” (Mt. 24:15–16).

Luke: “But when you see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that her desolation is at hand. Then let them that are in Judea flee unto the mountains…and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles” (Luke 21:20–21, 24).

These are two separate occasions. Luke's account took place at the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD -- followed then by the Diaspora and times of the Gentiles just as Luke recorded that it would.

Matthew's account is yet future, occurring after the times of the Gentiles and the Diaspora.

The Josephus stuff was interesting though.

[Stop Making Cents]

The abomination is the Obamanation

[fishtank]

“Preterism doesn’t hold W.A.T.E.R.”

A short while ago, I realized that many people I know are holding to the ideas of preterism.

I wanted to re-read the gospel accounts of the Olivet discourse, since a frequent preterist poster on Freerepublic.com uses a verse to support his claims: “because these are the days of vengeance, so that all things which are written will be fulfilled” Luke 21:22.

I noticed that for preterism to be true, the following five events must have been fulfilled by now. Since they are NOT fulfilled, I find it difficult, if not impossible, to accept preterism.

I propose an acrostic to illustrate these events: W.A.T.E.R.

W = “worldwide total evangelism”, from Matt 24:14

A = “all tribes mourning the Son of Man”, from Matt 24:30

T = “times of the Gentiles fulfilled”, Luke 21:24

E = “elect gathered from the four winds”, Matt 24:31

R = “return of Jesus” - (how could this possibly have happened in 70 AD, as some preterists claim???) - from Matt 24:27.

This post is a brief introduction to this acrostic, as a reminder that “Preterism doesn’t hold W.A.T.E.R.”.

[Cvengr]

Too bad the author forgets to consider the meaning of temple.

[caww]

This is an old arguement... framed once again....post- pre- etc. opinions differ. These are future event...and is yet in the future. That is where my research and study of both sides of the issue have concluded.

Further this writers opinion would certainly lead to people delaying their decision for Christ....God says “today is the day of Salvation”.

[Captain Beyond]

bflr