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I wouldn't know, I've never studied any of that stuff and frankly couldn't care less what any of them say or don't say.

Amazing! You never studied the dispensationalist theory, yet mimick what they teach? Get real, what you said goes right along with what they say.

I said: "Jesus is crucified in the midst of the week: that week is the 70th week of the prophecy."

Come on Ken - an assertion without scriptural evidence and consistency is not really a valid argument.

"And AFTER threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be CUT OFF, but not for himself (FOR US!);" Dan. 9:26a

While Christians generally agree in the belief that the "seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks", that is, 69 weeks (483 years) MEASURED to the time of Christ, they don't all agree concerning the final week of the prophecy - the 70th week!

Dispensationalist insert a huge GAP of time (2000+ years) between the 69th and 70th week. We who believe that the whole 70 weeks are fulfilled also believe that 70 follows 69 in logical sequence.

Dispensationalists, and other futurist groups for the most part, say that the 70th week refers to the ANTICHRIST who will MAKE a covenant with the Jews, and after 3 1/2 years will BREAK that covenant. The fulfilled 70th week is just the opposite: the Messiah CONFIRMS the covenant that the Jews were under for the full 70th week. In the "midst of the (70th) week Messaih will be "cut off" - a word that means to be murdered or killed. Jeus confirmed the covenant during his ministry of 3 1/2 years, and the apostles continued to confirm it for another 3 1/2 years - only to the Jews, for Christ came to save the lost sheep of Israel. Then Cornelius was converted and the Gospel was extended to ALL men.

Enough! I'm going to write a real clear exegesis on Daniel's 70 week later today. I'll ping you to it when I post it. Look for it.

You said: "Jesus is crucified in the midst of the week: that week is the 70th week of the prophecy." I said: Come on Ken - an assertion without scriptural evidence and consistency is not really a valid argument.

You're response: "And AFTER threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be CUT OFF, but not for himself (FOR US!);" Dan. 9:26a

Nothing here about Jesus being crucified in the midst of the week.

So far, I've given you copious scripture to back up what I'm saying, and basically you've given me nothing except irrelevant accusations about being in league with "dispensationalists" which is no argument at all whether true or not (not true by the way but doesn't matter).

I’ve certainly provided a preponderance of evidence, if not proof beyond a show of a doubt, of concurring scripture throughout the Bible whereas you have provided basically no scriptural evidence for your assertions. At least in civil court, I win.

What does it matter who “won”? That I’ve held on to my little doctrine better than you’ve held on to yours? I lose if I’m not an influence to seek God himself and not a pet doctrine. This I think is the issue: do we want our little doctrine to prevail or do we want to know God’s truth regardless of who espouses it?

Sorry my friend. I've asked you to look at scripture that I've painstakingly put together for you (but I've saved it for others later), and you reject it out of hand but you want me to pour over what you're going to put out later? Doesn't seem fair.

I'm disappointed because, as I've said, you've not addressed the copious scriptures I've given you, provided essentially none of your own, and used essentially doctrinal titles and people's names for your arguments.

The specific chapter and verse studies I've offered to you in Daniel, Matthew and Revelation are not five-minute or overnight efforts. It took me years. Check back in with me in a few months and let me know how its going.