But how is Jesus a faliure?
Christianity is the largest faith in the world, and it has especially grown in Asian and African Countries.....
Human Beings are stubborn have the potential to embrace all the 7 deadly sins at any time in their life on earth.
Pride is excessive belief in one’s own abilities, that interferes with the individual’s recognition of the grace of God. It has been called the sin from which all others arise. Pride is also known as Vanity.
Envy is the desire for others’ traits, status, abilities, or situation.
Gluttony is an inordinate desire to consume more than that which one requires.
Lust is an inordinate craving for the pleasures of the body.
Anger is manifested in the individual who spurns love and opts instead for fury. It is also known as Wrath.
Greed is the desire for material wealth or gain, ignoring the realm of the spiritual. It is also called Avarice or Covetousness.
Sloth is the avoidance of physical or spiritual work.
The problem I see with Noahide and Orthodox Judaism, although I think people who believe this way are proably wonderful great individuals.. not perfect but GOD abiding.
I don’t see the *Heart of GOD* in religious doctrine
or Orthodoxy Judaism...
Put it this way.....Before Jesus came...How did the Pharisees look at other’s? Why did they seperate, ignore, even kill the *Ones* who were sick, lepors, samaritans, etc.
They were great with all this *Religious Doctrine* and trying to be *Acceptable* to GOD with there works, but where was the LOVE of GOD in there life? Read the Tanakh which I know you have, much violence in there....
Christinaity flourished because People could have a real live personal experience with GOD through the Holy Spirit.
Where there was Hate people found Love in Christ
Where there was hopelessness people found hope in Christ
Where there was selfishness people found being self less in Christ
Where people were trapped by addiction, lust and ego, people found *Freedom* in Christ.
Where there was sickness people found healing in Christ.
*The *LAW* of GOD brings *Order* to a world where *Chaos* would be the norm....
I love GOD not because of his LAWS but because of his LOVE
which penetrates my heart, consummes my mind, and gives me PEACE that surpasses all Man’s understanding.
ZC,
Did you ever feel the Love of the Holy Spirit when you were a Christian?
Christianity is the largest faith in the world, and it has especially grown in Asian and African Countries.....
First, you said the Noachide Laws were a failure because mankind had to be destroyed in the Flood (though the Noachide Laws, as such, were not given until after the Flood). If you're going to judge the Noachide Laws by the moral chaos of that period, you'll have to judge J*sus by the moral chaos of this period.
And there's no such thing as a single chr*stian religion. There are zillions and zillions of religions that call themselves "chr*stian," having absolutely nothing whatsoever in common but a vocabulary--and even then, the words don't mean the same.
Human Beings are stubborn have the potential to embrace all the 7 deadly sins at any time in their life on earth.
And you think this discovery is original on your part? You've obviously never read the Prayer of Solomon in which he mentioned that there is no one who doesn't sin.
BTW, without those laws you so look down on there would be no such thing as sin.
Pride is excessive belief in one’s own abilities, that interferes with the individual’s recognition of the grace of God. It has been called the sin from which all others arise. Pride is also known as Vanity.
Judaism/Noachism is not a "salvational" religion at all, so you can drop the "unless you accept J*sus you'll never be good enough to get into Heaven" stuff. It is a statutory religion. The afterlife in Judaism is a much more esoteric doctrine than it is in chr*stianity. The world was created for the specific purpose of the Jewish People observing Torah, which affects all the spiritual plains. Every mitzvah unleashes positive forces and every sin unleashes negative forces.
Envy is the desire for others’ traits, status, abilities, or situation.
Gluttony is an inordinate desire to consume more than that which one requires.
Lust is an inordinate craving for the pleasures of the body.
Anger is manifested in the individual who spurns love and opts instead for fury. It is also known as Wrath.
Greed is the desire for material wealth or gain, ignoring the realm of the spiritual. It is also called Avarice or Covetousness.
Sloth is the avoidance of physical or spiritual work.
The problem I see with Noahide and Orthodox Judaism, although I think people who believe this way are proably wonderful great individuals.. not perfect but GOD abiding.
I don’t see the *Heart of GOD* in religious doctrine or Orthodoxy Judaism...
Unfortunately, whether or not you see the "Heart of G-d" is immaterial.
Put it this way.....Before Jesus came...How did the Pharisees look at other’s? Why did they seperate, ignore, even kill the *Ones* who were sick, lepors, samaritans, etc.
Where in the world did you ever get the idea that Orthodox Judaism commands the killing of sick people? That isn't more of that "Judaeo-Masonry" stuff, is it?
What is translated "leprosy" in the English Bible isn't Hansen's disease (leprosy) at all, but tzara`at, a supernatural punishment for slander. And it wasn't catching; it merely rendered the victim ritually impure, and ritual impurity is catching. People didn't die from tzara`at; they merely had to perform the correct rituals when it went away.
They were great with all this *Religious Doctrine* and trying to be *Acceptable* to GOD with there works, but where was the LOVE of GOD in there life? Read the Tanakh which I know you have, much violence in there....
So you're sitting in judgment on the Word of G-d because you think it's too "violent?" Now you're the one who sounds like a liberal. Don't liberals say that the Biblical G-d was so "mean?"
And I fail to see the difference between the "works" of the Torah and Noachism and the works of chr*stianity (masses, rituals, confessions, rosaries, novenas, holidays, fastings, pilgrimages, holy wars, etc.) except for the fact that the works of Torah and Noachism come from the Mouth of G-d but those of chr*stianity were made up by men who adapted them from pagan religions!
Christinaity flourished because People could have a real live personal experience with GOD through the Holy Spirit.
I'm sorry, but as kosta told us chr*stianity flourished because it was imposed on people by force and then maintained the same way (Spanish Inquisition, etc.).
Where there was Hate people found Love in Christ Where there was hopelessness people found hope in Christ Where there was selfishness people found being self less in Christ
Where people were trapped by addiction, lust and ego, people found *Freedom* in Christ. Where there was sickness people found healing in Christ.
*The *LAW* of GOD brings *Order* to a world where *Chaos* would be the norm....
I love GOD not because of his LAWS but because of his LOVE which penetrates my heart, consummes my mind, and gives me PEACE that surpasses all Man’s understanding.
What you're saying is basically you don't understand my religion and you're going to keep after me until one of the two of us is converted. Is that it?
I can't help what your experiences have been. I don't live my life by your experiences. As a matter of fact, experiences are subjective. All kinds of people can have different experiences of the same thing (I never knew peace as a chr*stian; only after accepting G-d's Laws was I finally able to rest). Perhaps you need to re-read the commandment against following one's heart?
What we go by is G-d's Revelation. The only time that G-d spoke to an entire nation at once (G-d--not someone claiming he spoke for G-d or someone claiming to be G-d, G-d forbid!) was at Mt. Sinai. That is the Ultimate Revelation. No other religion in history has ever stood, or shall ever stand, on such a strong, objective footing.
That you find J*sus attractive has nothing to do with it. Santa Claus is pretty attractive too, but he doesn't exist.
I stand with the G-d Who spoke at Sinai, as experienced by three million people. I reject all other religions based on all other revelations altogether.
ZC,
Did you ever feel the Love of the Holy Spirit when you were a Christian?
Which kind? A Fundamentalist Protestant? A Catholic? When I was attending an Armenian church?
What you don't realize is that feelings don't matter. I KNOW that the G-d of Israel historically spoke to that nation. THAT is what matters.
I am not the one who picked this quarrel. Why does my belief upset you so much? Why am I any worse than a Catholic, an Eastern Orthodox, or a mormon? I advise you to argue with them and straighten out the various chr*stian divisions before you begin arguing with me.