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To: kosta50
But you are not a fundie, ZC. You used to be. You left Christianity and now you don't have a religion to be identified with. Now you simply follow the Noachide laws as a righteous ("acceptable") Gentile who gets—as I see it—to enjoy the crumbs of Judaism.

What do you mean I don't have a religion to be identified with? Noachism is a religion. It is the "one true religion" of all non-Jews. The fact that most people have never heard of it doesn't change a thing.

I am a "fundie" because I regard religious truth as factual truth. It isn't some "special" type of truth that is removed from the rest of reality--some sort of allegoric or parabolic truth or something like that. At basis that is what fundamentalism is: the acceptance of the facticity of religious truth. Plus of course there's the fact that I believe the Torah is actually true and corresponds to reality in history and science as well as "religion."

I simply do not understand why people have such a hard time accepting that Noachism is G-d's authorized religion for all non-Jewish humanity. For some reason the rest of you seem to think it's a sort of "second class" something or other. Do you think that every Catholic/Orthodox chr*stian is supposed to be a priest/bishop/monk/nun? Do you think the laity is picking up the crumbs from the only people G-d really cares about? The Jewish People are simply the clergy of the human race. Naturally they have special rules that apply to them just as people in "holy orders" have extra rules to follow. But without a laity a priesthood means nothing, and Israel's priesthood would mean nothing without the rest of the human race over which to sere as priests.

What's the deal? Does it bother you that for the first time in my life I am satisfied and all my questions (the ones for which answers exist in this life) have been answered? What you see as an "unnatural" existence as a Noachide (neither Jewish nor any other religion) is in fact what G-d wills for all non-Jewish humanity. If you can't grasp that then I can't help you.

I'm sorry, but chr*stianity has never been anything other than a big disappointment in all its forms. Fundamentalist Protestantism demands a mystical "new birth" that one can never be sure he has experienced (if you've had it you'll know, but you can not have it and think you do!) and liturgical chr*stianity is too blasted strange for anything (I'm sorry, but none of it makes any sense, and as a non-Irish/Italian/Greek/Russian/whatever I always felt like a stranger who was more tolerated than anything else). Why you can't see such things in chr*stianity and insist on seeing it in Noachism I don't know, other than you had the happy accident of being born into the "family." What's the difference between subservience to the traditional chr*stian ethnic groups and subservience to Israel? I'm sorry; I choose the latter. If that offends you, there really isn't anything I can do about it other than not care.

58 posted on 06/22/2010 3:50:51 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Mah-tovu 'ohaleykha, Ya`aqov; mishkenoteykha, Yisra'el!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; kosta50

ZC,
Unless I am reading in-correctly the Bible says all gentiles are filthy pigs

Psalms 14 and 53..

They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. They are all gone aside, they are altogether become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. (Ps.14:1-3)

When G-d charged Adam, ‘And the L-rd G-d commanded Adam, saying: Of every tree in the garden you may surely eat. But from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you may not eat of it, for on the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.’ (Genesis 2:16,17)

This single commandment contained the source of the Seven Noahide Commandments. And more, Adam was charged by G-d with the responsibility to teach the laws to future generations...

According to Masonic doctrine, a Noahide is an average Gentile, while a “true Noachida” would be a “righteous Gentile”
ZC,
Do you consider yourself a Mason as well?


61 posted on 06/22/2010 3:59:45 PM PDT by TaraP (He never offered our victories without fighting but he said help would always come in time)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
What do you mean I don't have a religion to be identified with? Noachism is a religion

I would prefer to call it Jewish theology, discipline or even ideology. It is so intimately related to and dependent on Judaism that it cannot be a stand-alone rleigion.

I am a "fundie" because I regard religious truth as factual truth

To me that's a "literalist." That is a complete enigma to me.

I simply do not understand why people have such a hard time accepting that Noachism is G-d's authorized religion for all non-Jewish humanity

It is not a religion. It is religious discipline prescribed by Judaism. Judaism (or at least one Jewish sect) promotes it.

For some reason the rest of you seem to think it's a sort of "second class" something or other

Relative to Judaism it is.

Do you think the laity is picking up the crumbs from the only people G-d really cares about?

The "crumbs" are basically "hitching the ride."

The Jewish People are simply the clergy of the human race According to Jewish scriptures, that is, according to Judaism. In order for one to accept that one must believe in Jewish scriptures and recognize the Jewish God as the one true God, or basically accept Judaism as the one true faith/religion.

But without a laity a priesthood means nothing, and Israel's priesthood would mean nothing without the rest of the human race over which to sere as priests.

Why does human race need a "priestly nation" to serve over the rest of us? How did the human race get by before God established this "priestly nation?" And what kind of a "priestly nation" is it that worships idols throughout its history and than gives rise to such offshoots as Christianity (1st derivative) and Islam (second derivative) that take over the world?

How do male Jews perform their "priestly" duties for me or the rest of the world?

Are Jewish women also "priests?" Or is their sole purpose to give birth to more priests? If they are also part of "priestly nation" how do women perform their "priestly" duties? Were Moses' wives Jewish? If not how cold their children be Jewish?

If God chose those who will be his "priestly nation" why does Judaism allow converts?

Does it bother you that for the first time in my life I am satisfied and all my questions (the ones for which answers exist in this life) have been answered?

Not at all, ZC! But I can't tell you something that's contrary to my beliefs just to make you feel good.

I'm sorry, but chr*stianity has never been anything other than a big disappointment in all its forms

Oh I disagree, dear friend. Christianity is a wonderful story. trouble is, the story doesn't match the real world. But that's true of all religions.

Fundamentalist Protestantism demands a mystical "new birth" that one can never be sure he has experienced (if you've had it you'll know, but you can not have it and think you do!)

I am glad you brought this up. As an ex-Protestant, did you ever "know" the mystical "new birth?" All Protestants tell me they are 100% certain they had it. How does one 'know' anything religious unless one decides to accept everything biblical as a matter of fact and not just faith?

Do you think that every Catholic/Orthodox chr*stian is supposed to be a priest/bishop/monk/nun?

That depends on the "call" they receive. The Church has to determine of the "call" is genuine or not. I have no idea how they do that, nor do I care. It is bogus anyway.

What's the difference between subservience to the traditional chr*stian ethnic groups and subservience to Israel? I'm sorry; I choose the latter. If that offends you, there really isn't anything I can do about it other than not care

There is no subservience to the clergy. If I were a believer I would not envy them at all. John Chrysostom wrote centuries ago that the road to hell is paved with the skulls of bishops. For a Christian it is not the worldly title that carries any weight in the world to come, but the likeness of Christ in you.

Noachides will forever be subservient to the Jews. Now and in the world to come. Christians will know neither rank nor gender. But, rest assured, it offend me at all that it doesn't offend you. :)

70 posted on 06/22/2010 6:17:03 PM PDT by kosta50 (The world is the way it is even if YOU don't understand it)
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