Posted on 06/15/2010 3:57:42 PM PDT by Ken4TA
If the search for omens and signs of the future were any indication of true faith, ours would be the most Christian generation of all history. But Jesus said, An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign (Mt. 16:4).
The popular doctrine of a future millennial reign over the present world affords endless opportunities to take daily events and label them as signs of millennial fulfillment. Satiated with sensational international crisis, the public eagerly clutches at every announcement in hopes that this it is!that this latest event will herald a new day and tend the tension, the frustration, the failure and uncertainty. Such believers live for the future, and miss the joy and victory of the present reign of Christ.
Scripture presents this world as a field of labor with the harvest at the coming of Christ and the end of the world. The Christian understands that the field is infested with thorns and choked with tares sown by the enemy, the devil. He must labor against difficulties, fight against enemies, feel the pain of weariness and tension and know the sorrow of failure because the world continues on in the way of Satan (I John 5:19). But he rejoices because his labor is not in vain in the Lord. He rejoices in each victory over the world, the flesh and the devil. He thinks not to receive his reward here, but looks to the end of the world and the day of harvest when all the enemies will be slain by the King and the faithful may live in a new heaven and a new earth wherein dwells righteousness (II Peter 3:13). To the Christian the future means eternity and glory in the world to come.
The Millennialist focuses his attention on a period in between, a time soon to begin, but not yet; a time of peace and prosperity, but still bound by the limitations of this present world under the curse which came at the sin of Adam. He looks for a problem-free age of life in the present evil world. Though the sinners and rebels still thrive, it will be made tolerable by the physical presence of Jesus and the blessings of material rewards all the things you always wanted but were denied. He looks to the future, but not far enough to the life of glory Christ promised new life in a new creation free of unbelievers. The ardent millennialist lives on the edge of his seat, eagerly scanning the news to see if some new event might fit into his list of things supposed to happen near or at the expected millennium. The list includes the mark of the beast, the appearance of antichrist, the great tribulation, a new temple in Jerusalem, and the war of Armageddon, to name just a few. He rejects or overlooks the interpretation placed upon these prophecies by the apostles, which indicates that they have already been fulfilled. Much of the religious world is occupied with seeking for signs that these things are about to be fulfilled in our day.
The evasive hope of one-world peace underlies much of the social pressure against which the Christian faith struggles today. What is the source of our financial and national woes? Is it not the ambitious conspiracy of men who wish to give us a new and peaceful world by taking over our lives and remolding them to fit their dreams? They, too, look for a millennium, one which they think can be created by their own political and social processes. Well-meaning but drastically deluded church members think to please God by aiding them in their plan because they think it is Gods purpose to bring total peace and unity into this present world, the same promises made by international socialists. To bring about a world where all carnal desires may be satisfied and where there is no struggle against existing sin is Satans aim, not Gods.
A Stumbling Block. The preaching of an earthly kingdom of carnal satisfaction is the very opposite of the gospel Christ and the apostles preached. Christ presented mans need as that which cannot be met by material things. While He healed, fed a few people, and taught us to share with the person who comes to us in need, He refused to encourage any seeking after the goods of the world. He offered no political solutions to world problems and denounced ambition for worldly equality and plenty. Instead, He challenged man to deny self, to give up worldly satisfaction, even to the forfeiting of goods, homes, loved ones, and life itself in order to gain life in the next world. He warned, If any man come after me and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and bother and sister, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple (Luke 14:26). Christ certainly was not discouraging proper family relationships nor saying it is wrong to own a home or other things; but He was telling us that no one can follow Him who has his interest and mind focused on either people or things, all which are temporal and must come to and end in this world.
He said that one must even hate his own life also, which means that he must be ready to die and even prefer to die rather than to lose his fellowship with Christ and the hope of immortality. This is what it means to love the Lord with all of ones life. The ultimate purpose of God is to have man in His own image in a new creation; that is, in a new earth not this present one, but one wherein dwells righteousness which will take the place of the present world that is said to be evil, under a curse and is to be destroyed at Christs coming (Gal. 1:4, Rom. 8:20, II Peter 3:713).
The idea of an earthly kingdom under Messiah was a Jewish tradition developed out of their refusal to accept the prophecies of Christ bringing salvation to all the nations. They hoped for a kingdom limited to their race, after the order of the kingdom of David and thought that when Messiah came He would throw out the Romans, enlarge the borders of Judea to encompass the territory held by Solomon, and give them prosperity and power over their enemies. They sought to make Christ an earthly King, but He refused (John 6:15). They then crucified Him, affirming, We have no king but Caesar (John 19:15).
It was only after the apostle Peter set forth the fact that the prophecy of one sitting on Davids throne was fulfilled by Christ, and that the pouring forth of the holy Spirit was proof of it (Acts 2:2933) that they cried out on the Day of Pentecost, What must we do? No such earnest desire was ever expressed as long as they held hopes of an earthly rule by Messiah. The same alternative exists today. The person who lives in hopes, ever so zealously, for the day when peace reigns on the present earth, where man may live in full satisfaction of his carnal desires in this life that person can hardly obey the word of Jesus given by Paul: seek the things that are above where Christ is set your mind on the things that are above, not on the things that are upon the earth. For you died and your life is hid with Christ in God (Col. 3:13). Therefore the world seeks to confuse the issue, to distort the meaning of the kingdom and present false hopes to the ignorant and to keep as many in the dark as possible. For this reason the preaching of false prophetic signs is popular with the world, but the presentation of the cross and its true meaning is as despised as ever.
Christian Duty. What of the Christians present duty toward his neighbor? No one argues against this duty, leastwise this writer. Certainly the person with his heart set on pleasing God cannot be indifferent to the cry of the fatherless child or the plea of the hungry and naked. It is just this fact, that the saint has his heart set on spiritual and eternal things rather than earthly, that enables him to turn loose of his hard-earned money to give to the church for the preaching of the gospel and to give alms for the needy. But such charity, giving to the needy who asks, has nothing to do with the welfare state, the robbing of the industrious to ease the way of the slothful and the destruction of just government by the foolish cries of the so-called underprivileged.
The man with his heart set on the true kingdom, which is not of this world, is quite willing to forego the satisfaction of power and pleasure, which the worlds possessions seem to guarantee, that the might help a fellow man. On the contrary, the panting after an earthly Utopia paves the way for all kinds of pressure groups trying to bring it about where they each may get their fair share. Their number is legion, more than anyone knows.
Christs Rule. Is there not, then, a millennium? None is mentioned in scripture, although there is mention in Revelation a reign of one thousand years. Millennium is derived from two Latin words, mille, meaning thousand and annum, meaning year; hence literally a thousand years. (By-the-way, the thousand years mentioned in Revelation is written in the plural, thousands. Thousands of what? Thousands of years! It is man that puts the a before it, and translates it as a thousand years, singular.) But in Revelation twenty, in any case, the language is figurative or spiritual and not natural: Satan is bound with a chain, saints sit on thrones, Satan is a dragon, or a serpent, and the saints are all in one camp! The term thousands is also used figuratively. It denotes vastness and in some cases the total of whatever it is applied to (Deut. 1:1011); Psa. 50:10). The cattle on a thousand hills are said to belong to the Lord, but so are all the cattle upon every hill! A thousand hills simply represents all the hills. One day with the Lord is as a thousand years (II Peter 3:9). All the years of time are as only a day to the Lord. The thousands of years of Revelation refers to the entire time of Christs present reign; that is, from the day He ascended to heaven to begin His rule over heaven and earth (Mt. 28:18) until the day He returns, destroys His enemies in judgment, and returns the Kingdom to the Father (I Cor. 15:28).
The thousands-of-years reign in Revelation tells us that as Christians in this world of tribulation and opposition we are, nevertheless, victorious. The victory is not physical nor political, as viewed from a carnal viewpoint, but the kind of victory mentioned by John: This is the victory that overcomes the world, even our faith (I John 5:4). Such a victory may be enjoyed even when we are suffering from physical losses, from illness or oppression. Even the Christian who is bed-ridden and denied the blessing of health may still be reigning with Christ in the spiritual sense. This is why Paul says that we are made to sit with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus (Eph. 2:6).
According to Paul the present world travails and groans in pain and will do so until the coming of Christ and the transformation of all Gods sons into His own likeness. It is the Christians privilege and glory to be part of Christs kingdom, to suffer with Him now, but to be glorified with Him when He comes (Rom 8:22, 17). The apostle writes that we are not to be looking for signs of the fulfillment of carnal desires but rather that we should be looking unto Jesus, the author and perfector of our faith, who for the joy that was set before He endured the cross, despising shame, and has sat down on the right hand of the throne of God (Heb. 12:12).
The Psalmist wrote of Christ, Rule thou in the midst of your enemies (Psa. 110:2). Indeed he rules today in the face of tremendous opposition and wicked enemies who grow more bitter and vicious every day.
Paul explained that the Kingdom of God is not meat and drink (things of an earthly kingdom) but righteousness, and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit (Rom. 14:17). John instructs us to Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world (I John 2:15).
Paul, divinely inspired, expressed the purpose of a Christian, in hope of eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised before times eternal (Titus 1:2).
The search for signs is a sickness, the Millennial Syndrome. It is cured when we renounce mens traditions and believe that Christ is the fulfillment of the prophets and is now King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
Naw.
You made my point, I said you were an unbeliever. You don’t believe Rev. 20, if so, you are an unbeliever. It says a thousand years, but you say “naw.”
You don’t believe it, nor the resurrection of the righteous at the beginning of the thousand years, with the resurrection of the unrighteous at it’s end. Another “naw.” Instead you believe in a general resurrection - without a thousand years separating the resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous.
As to the thousand years being the ONLY inheritance, the new heavens and earth, beyond the thousand years, is also the inheritance of the saints...as the Revelation also plainly says.
Both the millennial and the new heavens and earth are our inheritance, but you deny the first. If you don’t believe the millennial is our inheritance, then won’t get an inheritance you don’t believe in.
I do think you need to to a lot more studying of what the scriptures have to say about the end times and the return of Jesus.
Utter nonsense. I have taught 1st graders in Sunday School who would laugh at this silly statement and then refute it with a simple question, "if we are ruling with Him, why don't the bad people do what we say?" We WILL rule with Him, to be sure. But what we are doing right now isn't "ruling."
LOL! I realize you don't understand what I said, so you're forgiven. Think: Jesus is now King, sitting on his throne. What purpose is that if he is not ruling his subjects? Jesus' subjects, Christians, rule with Christ by spreading the gospel. In spreading the gospel those who don't believe and obey it are already judged; Christians heaping coals of fire on their heads (figuratively) - yet, by repenting and obeying the gospel they can be saved from God's judgement - second death. You may not understand this in my opinion, but it can be backed up with many scriptures which I don't have the time to produce herein. Maybe later..."ruling" may not be the best word here :-)
First Resurrection just a small part of what Curtis Dickinson has to say.
The faithful saints in the church at Smyrna were told not to fear the devil, for if they were faithful they would not be hurt of the second death (Rev. 2:1011). The reason was that they had experienced the first resurrection by their obedience to the Gospel and the guilt of their sin had been borne by Jesus. Their resurrection would be to eternal life. Partake of the first resurrection and you escape the second death, the destruction by fire. Reject the first resurrection and you must die twice: the temporal death all must suffer because of our mortal nature, and the second and final death because of sin.
The first resurrection take place when the believer obeys the gospel, dies to sin and is raised to a new life. Or are you ignorant that all we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him through baptism into death that like as Christ was raised from the death through the glory of the Father, so we also might walk in newness of life (Rom. 6:34). When we are raised from the grave at Jesus command, it will be our second resurrection, only it will be to immortality. Paul wrote that we who are in Christ are no longer under condemnation (Rom. 8:1), but are in the spirit which gives life and we already have the first fruits of the spirit. Still, he said, we are waiting, waiting for our adoption, to wit the redemption of our body (Rom. 8:23).
Eternal and immortal life is assured the righteous in this life because they are in Christ and have experienced the first resurrection from a state of deadly sin into a life hid with Christ in God (Col. 3:3). Therefore, when Christ, who is our life shall be manifested, then shall you also with him be manifested in Glory (Col. 3:4).
Such is the glory and triumph portrayed in the revelation given to John on the isle of Patmos. It is not given to confuse us nor to stir speculations as to the time of Christs coming, but to show us that in spite of all the beastly opposition the world can mount against Christ, the victory is assured to Him and His chosen.
But I absolutely DO believe Rev. 20! I just question why Wescott & Hort have changed the term translated as "a thousand" years from xilioi, a plural adjective, to xilia, a singular noun! The oldest Greek manuscripts have the term as "ho xilioi etos", which translates as "the thousands (of) years". Just how does one go from "thousands" to "thousand" and remain true to the recorded words used by Jesus given to John?
Both the millennial and the new heavens and earth are our inheritance, but you deny the first.
I deny neither! We are living in the thousands of years right now having been seated with Christ, just as Paul says in Ephesians 2:4-7. We Christians have been resurrected to walk in "newness of life" - the first resurrection - just as Paul said in Romans 6 1-10.
There are two deaths for every living being: natural death and spiritual death (so to speak). All men are destined to die once, and then the judgment. Unbelievers die naturally, then will die again in the lake of fire (which is the second death) after the resurrection of the last day. However, believers will die twice while on this earth: once naturally, and once spiritually (dead to sin - which is the first resurrection of what was once dead); then at the resurrection of the last day to be made immortal (our reward) to live forever on the New Earth in the New Heavens. See unbelievers: Two deaths, one resurrection. Believers: Two deaths, two resurrections. Easy to explain, hard to believe!
Again, utter nonsense. Ruling is ruling. Reigning is reigning. Sharing the gospel is neither.
Sharing the gospel is our mandate in this particular period of time so that when the Kingdom IS established on the earth, it will have enough people to administer it properly.
Again, utter nonsense. Ruling is ruling. Reigning is reigning. Sharing the gospel is neither.
Huh? Who can "reign" without "ruling"? BTW, haven't you read that we Christians (right now) are "reigning with Christ" who is seated on the throne of David?
The right hand of the Father is not the throne of David. Messiah is sitting there UNTIL His enemies are made a footstool for His feet. THEN he returns and rebuilds the fallen throne of David, on which he will sit and from which he will judge the nations.
Actually, you are saying that the David's throne is empty? Right? But I say that Jesus is sitting on the throne of David right now. I admit that takes some study to find. Anyway, David's throne is God's throne, and Jesus is the one that was raised from the dead to sit on that throne. Scriptures say that Jesus is now sitting on that throne - in heaven. I don't have the time at present to show you all the scriptures that back my statement up - maybe later. But I'll stand firm on what I said.
It is true that Jesus was raised from the dead so that he could sit on David's throne. Just not right away.
David's throne is not God's throne. David's throne is David's throne. Jesus as the son of David will sit on David's throne. Jesus now sits at the right hand of God, the Father. When He returns, He will sit on His glorious throne and will judge the nations. And THEN you can rule with Him. :)
Explain this: "Then Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD as king instead of David his father,..." (I Chr. 29:23). When God ruled the Hebrews there was no King but Him, and the only throne was the one God sat upon in Heaven. But when the people complained about having no King as the other nations do, God let them have a King and he sat upon the Lord's (Jehovah no less!) throne! Thusly we find that David's throne is actually God's throne. Jesus now sits with the Father on His throne, reigning over His subjects. That's as short as I can make it :-)
So you are saying that David sat at God’s right hand?
Absolutely not. David sat on God's throne as King over God's chosen people.
You replied: Absolutely not. David sat on God's throne as King over God's chosen people.
Ok, the throne David sat on was not at the right hand of God the Father. And yet, Jesus, who sits at the right hand of God, the Father is sitting on David's throne. Do you realize how convoluted that is. In order to make your theology coherent, you are going to have to get your thrones straight.
Before there was a "King" in Israel, God reigned from His throne and the people knew it. But they wanted a "King" just like the other nations wanted - so, God's throne became available to "man" to sit on it and reign over the nations people. That throne became "David's Throne" on earth even though it is God's Throne. God revealed that one of David's seeds will one day reign on that "throne"; and it happened when Jesus assended up to heaven to sit on it with the Father. You've seen the strong verses that indicate that conclusion - how do you understand them?
Those verses only indicate the conclusion if the conclusion is first assumed. You asked me how I understand certain verses. It is better to inquire about my understanding of the Davidic Covenant, which can ONLY be understood in the light of the Son of David ruling on the earth. The book of the Revelation affixes a time-period to the length of his earthly rule, a millennium. Attempts of amillennialists to disregard that time period fall flat.
Read Acts 2:22-36. Understand that David's throne is promised to Jesus - and that David saw ahead that the one to sit on his throne was the Christ Jesus. Jesus ascended into heaven to sit on that throne. Jesus is immortal and can die no more, so he now reigns instead of anyone else; at the approval of God the Father, for the Father has given all power to Jesus to rule over heaven and earth.
Explain how you get that Jesus is to reign only during the so-called "one thousand years" mentioned in Rev. 20? Why would He need to do that? Who is He going to reign over, expecially with a "rod of iron"?
The Nations... as the King of Kings.
The Acts passage does not explicitly state that the right hand of God is the throne of David... you read it into the passage.
I feel your pain.
The Nations... as the King of Kings.
Hmmm....If all the saints are already resurrected and given immortality, then I take it that all the nations of the world are unsaved people, right? And that Jesus is going to rule them with a rod of iron? Interesting thought!
The Acts passage does not explicitly state that the right hand of God is the throne of David... you read it into the passage.
True, that I have to admit. But then when one considers that the OT tells us that David sat on the throne of God on earth, and that when Jesus returns it is not to result in forgiveness of sin but instead judgment, it is easy to see that Davids prodigy is Jesus as Acts tells us. One must take into consideration that Jesus was emphatic in saying that His return was to raise all the dead, some for everlasting life and others for judgment. Going by your thoughts, the dead ones raised for judgment will be ruled for 1,000 years by Jesus with a rod of iron - no saved people around.
Don't know if I got that correct, but Peter tells us that at Jesus' coming this earth will be destroyed along with all unrighteous men; and there will be a "new earth in new heavens" for the righteous to live on. Does that passage from Peter's second letter fit in with your schedule?
I would say that I don't have the same viewpoint as you about the time period of Revelation 20. I don't take it as a mere 1,000 years; mainly because the word translated as 1,000 actually is a plural term meaning "thousands". I have done a preliminary study on this issue, and it's available on my website for anyone to read and respond to if they wish.
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