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To: bkaycee

“”But Irenaues himself said nothing should be taught that cannot be support by the scripture. “”

I hate to break the news to you ,dear friend, but, Saint Irenaues did not have fully bound and canonized Bible’s back in his age ,thus, there were many other things written down by the Church that Irenaues regarded as inspired by God because he believed the Holy Spirit guided the Church. So ,for you to even think Blessed Irenaues was solo Scriptura is not a reality. Blessed Irenaues spent his efforts defending the Church from heretics and would have included Luther and the protestant reformers as heretics if he lived during that time period.Irenaues would have worked to reform the Church from within and DEFINE Church teaching like he did in the 3rd century

“”The Church of 180 AD is NOT the same as the Post Trent church. “”

Nonsense! It would do you well to realize when we speak of the unwritten word of God, so called oral tradition, we don’t mean it was NEVER written down. (Even the liturgy and the sacraments are “written down”, although in both cases, they are “acted” rather than read to the congregation. Some things do not necessarily have to be “declared” by the Church heirarchy as infallible before being thought of as such. However, Councils more CLEARLY DEFINE that something really is infallible tradition.

God’s Revelation is given to us in three ways: 1. The Scripture, God’s Word in writing by the inspiration of the Spirit. 2. Sacred Apostolic Tradition, God’s Word entrusted to the Apostles by God that is NOT EXPLICITLY in Scriptures. It is living in that it is practiced, thus we also call Tradition “living”. Sometimes, it takes the Church some self-examination to determine whether something is Divine or not. 3. The teaching office of the Church, the Magesterium. It is God’s desire that men are able to interpret God’s Revelation to us in Scriptures and Tradition. It is the responsibility of the Apostles’ successors to present this for belief to God’s People.
Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture are from the same source, God. Each of them makes present and fruitful in the Church the mystery of Christ, who promised to remain with His own “always, to the close of the age”. (Dei Verbum, 9)

And finally, yes, there are Sacred Traditions, those that are meant for all people of all times within the Church, those that are considered Divinely given; and those that are Ecclesiastical Traditions, those that are meant for all people of a certain time or some people of a certain time. They are given by the Church to aid in the Christian’s walk towards Christ. An example is making the sign of the cross on our forehead when entering the Church. Not divinely given through the Apostles.


357 posted on 06/21/2010 2:50:56 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: stfassisi

What are the Traditions Given by the Aposltes, but not written down?


358 posted on 06/22/2010 2:29:00 PM PDT by bkaycee
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