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To: Ken4TA
When Jesus said that the Kingdom would be taken away from them and given to another nation, that other nation is the "ekklesia" - i.e, what one calls the church: which is not "national" but worldwide.

Wrong. The church is not a nation. It is made up of many nations not just one, as the scripture says over and over again.

Jesus never said that the nation of Israel would be restored as a "kingdom" on this earth in a future age.

Then just how do you come to grips with the disciples' question after 40 days of Jesus's teaching on the Kingdom of God, and his answer to their question. They clearly asked if the Kingdom of Israel would be RESTORED AGAIN to Israel. Their question was direct and clear. And Jesus' answer was quite clear -- NOT YET. Did Jesus not understand the question??? Was He lying or being deceptive in his last words to them??? The question was asked and the question was answered and it is there for all to see and read and take to heart.

The "New Jerusalem" is the whole body of Christians which are the "bride of Christ" mentioned in the book of Revelation:

Yeh -- that consists of many nations:

"And the nations of them who are saved shall walk in the light of it ... and they shall bring the glory and honor of the nations into it" [Rev 21:24,26]

So then which of those "nations" will be given the Kingdom of Israel??? France??? India??? Germany??? or a future nation of Israel [Isaiah 66:8] that has been gathered after a 1900 year hiatus from amongst the nations to which they have been driven in fulfillment of the prophecies of all the prophets, who Peter admonished the Church in his last letter to keep in mind.

58 posted on 06/17/2010 6:37:37 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip
Wrong. The church is not a nation. It is made up of many nations not just one, as the scripture says over and over again.

Hmmm...It would take a rather large post to bring out everything the Scriptures have to say about this, but here is just one of many you might consider in this light: 1 Peter 2:4-10.

Verse 9: "But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, ..."

Was Peter lying, or exagerating? Was he not taught by Jesus while with Him for 3 years or so, and then later for 40 days after the resurrection? And also led by the Holy Spirit to recall all that Jesus had taught him after Pentecost? What about the words of the other writers of the NT? How does one understand them without consideration of of the whole?

I said: The "New Jerusalem" is the whole body of Christians which are the "bride of Christ" mentioned in the book of Revelation: Yeh -- that consists of many nations:

Actually, NO! It consists of God's people found in all nations

So then which of those "nations" will be given the Kingdom of Israel??? France??? India??? Germany??? or a future nation of Israel [Isaiah 66:8] that has been gathered after a 1900 year hiatus from amongst the nations to which they have been driven in fulfillment of the prophecies of all the prophets, who Peter admonished the Church in his last letter to keep in mind.

And where do you find "future nation of Israel" that you say Peter revealed?

Later - have to keep an appointment. Back later on.

60 posted on 06/17/2010 8:14:14 AM PDT by Ken4TA
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