Posted on 06/14/2010 3:28:41 PM PDT by Ken4TA
You got me! I didn't know that he ever built one. If you meant the one he talked about, well, it's been destroyed or never built.
20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 00343 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 00344 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. 00345 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 00346 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Thanks again for the Sunday School material ... this weeks lesson is on Replacement Theology and the theological errors that are possible when one interprets the OT, not on the basis of what the OT text says, but based on a NT understanding of the OT testament text.
Ah ... none of use "millennial" Christians think the promise was fulfilled with modern Israel. You have yet to construct anything but a strawman.
This Curtis fellow does not understand dispensational premillenialism at all, he is arguing against a non-existance position ... and so are you.
We view daily events that happen today as "the beginning of birth pangs" ... nothing more, not fulfillment of prophecy. Will those prophetic fulfillments come in the future? Yes they will ... we just see the stage being set for their fulfillment. Could be hundreds of years from now ... could be tomorrow.
Negative. When did Ezekiel live and write? The answer: before the restoration of the second temple in Jerusalem. There is not "third temple" prophecied that I can see.
Rev. 20:4-6 is also great. And I believe it. However, John wrote in symbols and OT imagery. While I don't believe anyone can actually say exactly what this part of the passage has to say, we can say that we do know what constitutes the first resurrection (see my post #24 on the thread "The Millennial Syndrome"). The "rest of the dead", along with the dead saints of the thousands of years, will be raised from the dead, the living translated and caught up with Christ, the unbelievers raised for judgment - the second death.
You're very welcome! Sure hope you learn something from that lesson!
Read the thread article again...
Hmm...I was introduced into dispensationalism (Bible Baptist Churches) back in 1973. But after all the lessons they gave me in "Sunday and Wednesday" classes, telling me to examine the Bible to see if it was so, my examination led me out of that faulty school of thought. Later examination of the origins of dispensationalism intensified my conclusions that it was really wrong theology. It was sensationalism magnified, not Biblical. Signs were its main proof...has that been changed?
We view daily events that happen today as "the beginning of birth pangs" ... nothing more, not fulfillment of prophecy.
I see...the name has just been changed, not the idea.
That's right! As Josephus tells in his History of the Jews, Herod doubled the size of the temple. I don't know how Josephus knew the size it was to be other than to look at the OT directions. The population when Herod built the temple of Jesus' time was greatly increased from the time of Ezekiel. Maybe that's why Herod increased the size of the temple? Who knows...
You have not answered my question about why Isaiah, Jeremiah, etc said the house of Israel and Judah would return to the land. After their dispersal 721BC, when did the house of Israel return to the land of the promise? I want to know the Biblical verses, the year or there abouts. Any names or towns, anything to prove to this forum that their return is now history.
Blessings in your search for TRUTH
Well, honestly ... you don't really demonstrate a solid understanding of dispensationalism. Perhaps like many in the 1970s you think you learned it from reading The Late Great Planet Earth. Anyway, it is certainly possible that the Baptist church you "learned" it from was not all that solid.
Later examination of the origins of dispensationalism intensified my conclusions that it was really wrong theology.
And what origins would that be?
It was sensationalism magnified, not Biblical. Signs were its main proof...has that been changed?
This is where I am confident your understand of dispensationalism is so lacking that your article posting refuting it is impotent. Perhaps you believe Jack VanImpe is the model dispensationalist. I think he is a nut job and there are many others; VanImpe and Hal Lindsey are not the theologians who are doing serious work in dispensationalism.
This Curtis fellow you keep posting has an impressive array of articles, but if they mis-represent positions and are full of shotty exegesis (which they are) then its a pile of bits at a link. Replacement theology is not true theology, it ignores the priority of the OT text in OT interpretation.
Dispensationalism is the natural result of the application of the historical-grammatical approach to Biblical interpretation coupled with proper theological method.
Wrong. The church is not a nation. It is made up of many nations not just one, as the scripture says over and over again.
Jesus never said that the nation of Israel would be restored as a "kingdom" on this earth in a future age.
Then just how do you come to grips with the disciples' question after 40 days of Jesus's teaching on the Kingdom of God, and his answer to their question. They clearly asked if the Kingdom of Israel would be RESTORED AGAIN to Israel. Their question was direct and clear. And Jesus' answer was quite clear -- NOT YET. Did Jesus not understand the question??? Was He lying or being deceptive in his last words to them??? The question was asked and the question was answered and it is there for all to see and read and take to heart.
The "New Jerusalem" is the whole body of Christians which are the "bride of Christ" mentioned in the book of Revelation:
Yeh -- that consists of many nations:
"And the nations of them who are saved shall walk in the light of it ... and they shall bring the glory and honor of the nations into it" [Rev 21:24,26]
So then which of those "nations" will be given the Kingdom of Israel??? France??? India??? Germany??? or a future nation of Israel [Isaiah 66:8] that has been gathered after a 1900 year hiatus from amongst the nations to which they have been driven in fulfillment of the prophecies of all the prophets, who Peter admonished the Church in his last letter to keep in mind.
My next thread to be posted this evening, titled "Daniel's Prophecy", should be a big help in explaining why the things in the first two threads I posted say what they say. Consider it carefully, opening the Bible and checking to see if what is said is worthy of thought - at the least.
Hmmm...It would take a rather large post to bring out everything the Scriptures have to say about this, but here is just one of many you might consider in this light: 1 Peter 2:4-10.
Verse 9: "But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, ..."
Was Peter lying, or exagerating? Was he not taught by Jesus while with Him for 3 years or so, and then later for 40 days after the resurrection? And also led by the Holy Spirit to recall all that Jesus had taught him after Pentecost? What about the words of the other writers of the NT? How does one understand them without consideration of of the whole?
I said: The "New Jerusalem" is the whole body of Christians which are the "bride of Christ" mentioned in the book of Revelation: Yeh -- that consists of many nations:
Actually, NO! It consists of God's people found in all nations
So then which of those "nations" will be given the Kingdom of Israel??? France??? India??? Germany??? or a future nation of Israel [Isaiah 66:8] that has been gathered after a 1900 year hiatus from amongst the nations to which they have been driven in fulfillment of the prophecies of all the prophets, who Peter admonished the Church in his last letter to keep in mind.
And where do you find "future nation of Israel" that you say Peter revealed?
Later - have to keep an appointment. Back later on.
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