The Cost of Contraception: Women's Health - Response to CNN

LifeSiteNews.com ^ | June 10, 2010 | Jenn Giroux

[Grunthor]

“God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

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You do not believe that this has been accomplished?

[Brian Kopp DPM]

No...Unless you can show me in scripture where it has been rescinded.

That is the best "proof text" for the fallacy of the concept of overpopulation. There is no rescinding of Genesis 1:28. Anyone who claims "there are too many people" is clearly out of line with Scripture. If such were possible, God would have told us.

The myth of overpopulation is a demonic deception.

The devil hates mankind, because every child conceived can go to heaven, where the devil can never again tread. It was the concept of man - the combination of an eternal soul and a physical body - with free will, that lead to satan's rebellion in the first place.

Every soul the devil prevents from being conceived is a little demonic victory against God, IMHO.

[Grunthor]

THe population of the earth is approaching 6 and a half billion last I checked. How much is enough?

[JoeDonnellymakesmepuke]

The Apostle Paul leaves a good deal of day-to-day life to the conscience of the person. Since God never put a number on “be fruitful and multiply,” shouldn't a person's conscience, steered by seeking God, be a guide? And if a couple together chooses that zero, one, two, or 15 kids is enough, isn't that the business of the couple?

[Salvation]

There are questions and answers within one of these links that answers your querry about population.

The Cost of Contraception: Women's Health - Response to CNN
The Connection between Contraception and Abortion
Baby Bust: The Demographics of Global Depression

The Surest Sign of a Decadent Culture
Protestants and Birth Control
The Protest of a Protestant Minister Against Birth Control
Contraception: Why Not?
The Bible & Birth Control
Our Gravest Moral Responsibility: Convert the Contraception Mentality
Contraception and Conversion
Evangelical Leaders are Ok with Contraception
The pill and 50 years of misery [the pill kills!]
The dawn of demonic deception [the birth control pill]

Researcher finds strong link between contraception and HIV
The Birth-Control Riddle
Social Science Proves Humanae Vitae
"Contraception Is Wrong. Now Here's How You Use It . . ."
Suit claims birth control warning not enough
Natural and Unnatural (father of 5 shocks mother of 1)
Planned Parenthood Uses Teens to Distribute Injectable Birth Control in Rural Ecuador
Study: Low-Dose Birth Control Pills Decrease Bone Density in Young Women
Spanish drug agency confirms grave effects of morning-after pill
Another Woman Dies of Hormonal Contraceptive in Switzerland

Study Finds Half of Women on "Birth Control Shot" Suffer Bone Problems
The Re-Birth of Population Control: Human Life Seen as a Carbon Problem
Radio Replies First Volume - Birth Control
Abortion, birth control pill linked to breast cancer, surgeon says
God before contraception (Australia)
Fighting the 'contraceptive mentality'
Birth control pill creator regrets population decline
Polluted Water, Polluted Culture (one more consequence from contraception)
Abortifacients -- The Other Forbidden Grief
NFP and Contraception: What’s the Difference?

Wisconsin requiring Catholic institutions to provide contraceptives coverage
Contraception: The history you may have missed and would rather not know
Why does Pope Benedict talk about Humanae vitae in the new encyclical? [Catholic Caucus]
New Evangelical Documentary Exposes Abortifacient Qualities of the Birth Control Pill, Promotes NFP
In Quiverfull Movement, Birth Control Is Shunned
Press in a Dither Again over Pope’s Reaffirmation of Catholic Teaching
How Birth Control Changed America for the Worst
If You Are Contracepting, You Are Part of A Very Big Problem
Vatican and Italian government criticize sale of RU 486 in Italy
New Condom Ads Target Catholics, Latinos

St. Padre Pio, Humanae Vitae, and Mandatory Abortion
Responsible Parenthood in a Birth Control Culture, Part Two [Open]
Responsible Parenthood in a Birth Control Culture, Part One [Open]
Humanae Vitae and True Sexual Freedom — Part 6 of 6 [Open]
Contraception v. Natural Family Planning — Part 5 of 6 [Open]
Sex Speaks: True and False Prophets — Part 4 of 6 [Open]
Contraception and the Language of the Body — Part 3 of 6 [Open]
Does Contraception Foster Love? — Part 2 of 6 [Open]
Contraception and Cultural Chaos — Part 1 of 6 [Open]
Priests still suffering from effects of Humanae Vitae dissenters, Vatican cardinal says (Must read!)

"Provoking reflection" (Contrasting views on Humanae Vitae)
Humanae Vitae The Year of the Peirasmòs - 1968
Catholics to Pope: Lift the Birth Control Ban
[OPEN] The Vindication of Humanae Vitae
Catholic Clergy Challenge Colleagues to Reacquaint Themselves and Their People with Humanae Vitae
White House proposes wide "conscience clause" on abortion, contraception
THE EX CATHEDRA STATUS OF THE ENCYCLICAL "HUMANAE VITAE" [Catholic Caucus]
“A degrading poison that withers life”
Australia Study: 70 Percent of Women Seeking Abortions Used Contraception
[Fr. Thomas Euteneuer] In Persona Christi: The Priest and Contraception

A Challenging Truth, Part Two: The Day the Birth Control Died
A Challenging Truth, Part One: How Birth Control Works
Ten Challenges for the Pro-Life Movement in 2008
The concept of the "intrinsically evil"
Pope Tells Pharmacists Not to Dispense Drugs With 'Immoral Purposes'
Massive Study Finds the Pill Significantly Increases Cancer Risk if Used more than Eight Years
Birth Control Pill Creates Blood Clot Causing Death of Irish Woman
Seminarians Bring Church’s Teaching on Contraception, Sexuality to YouTube
Abortion and Contraception: Old Lies
History of Catholic teaching on Contraception

Pope: Legislation "Supporting Contraception and Abortion is Threatening the Future of Peoples"
Contraception: Why It's Wrong
On Fox News Fearless HLI Priest Takes on Sean Hannity (may be indebted for saving his soul)
VIDEO - SEAN HANNITY vs REV. THOMAS EUTENEUER (must see!)
The Early Church Fathers on Contraception - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
Pope on divine love vs. erotic love
Conjugal Love and Procreation: God's Design
Being fruitful [Evangelicals and contraception]

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Ask God, not me.

The biggest economic crisis facing mankind is an overabundance of production capacity, resources and goods and a falling fertility rate.

There's no scarcity anywhere -- except that which has been caused by regional or global government corruption, greed, malfeasance and evil. We don't have too many people, we have too many bureaucrats.

One last thought:

Poverty is when you have too many people for the resources of a given geographic area. When we see people living in poverty, we have a Christian duty to assist them. Scripture is crystal clear on this point.

But what happens when, by verbal engineering, you give poverty a new name?

By calling it overpopulation, you remove from yourself any obligation to assist them that scripture demands. You can then tell those living in poverty, "Its your own fault! If you'd just stop having babies, you wouldn't be living in a state of overpopulation." Then we can assuage our guilty conscience by sending them condoms and Norplant and suction vacuum abortion kits, instead of corn and educational and infrastructure assistance, and feel morally superior for our worldly wisdom and helping stop global warming.

Scripture talks about that too:

34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.' 37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' 40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'

14What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15 Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

if a couple together chooses that zero, one, two, or 15 kids is enough, isn't that the business of the couple?

Now you're getting into a Natural Law debate, which is beyond the scope of this thread.

Suffice it to say that according to Natural Law theory, we have a moral obligation as Christians, in the eyes of God, to contribute to the propagation of the species. Furthermore, the primary ends of marriage, as instituted by God, are the bearing and education of children.

If Christian couples refuse to have children, they better have a damn good reason for doing so when they come before the Judgment Seat of God.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Since God never put a number on “be fruitful and multiply,” shouldn't a person's conscience, steered by seeking God, be a guide?

Since a fertility rate of 2.1 is required just to maintain a stable population and keep it from crashing, and no economic growth has ever occurred in the context of population contraction, a very good secular argument could be made that, for those able, three children per couple would be a bare minimum.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Excellent, thanks! You need to do a thread just with all the contraception/NFP/population control links.

[JoeDonnellymakesmepuke]

a very good secular argument could be made that, for those able, three children per couple would be a bare minimum.

Thanks for the reply, although I wasn't asking for a secular argument; in fact, the secular argument is frightening. Would you support legislation requiring couples to produce three children?

[Angry_White_Man_Syndrome]

Who said anything about having more children? There are ways to avoid getting pregnant while still enjoying a happy sex life. Natural Family planning is a proven method. As a Catholic Husband and Father this method does work.

[Grunthor]

Makes sense to me.

[Grunthor]

Yeah I read a little about it today and it sounds good. I am going to study on it further before I agree that it is a more effective method than condoms or other forms of BC.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

No.