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To: reaganaut; Normandy
Latter-day Saints don’t believe that the organization of the church saves them. Christ alone can do that. [Normandy]

HOGWASH. In order to be saved (return to God the Father) you must...be an active, faithful, tithe paying, temple endowed Mormon. Everyone else goes to a ‘lower kingdom’... [Reaganaut]

(1) Mormons badly distort what the word "saved" means -- perhaps as much as any cult. Why? Because what is an eternal "saving" relationship minus living with Heavenly Father forever?

Yet Mormons try to pull one over on people that this constitutes "salvation" (Reaganaut's reference to a "lower kingdom")

(2) Lds apostles (like McConkie)...
...& LDS "prophets" (like Joseph Fielding Smith)...
...& LDS first presidents (like Marion G. Romney)...
...agree, in contrast to what Normandy just claimed, that there's no salvation outside the Mormon church or Mormon "prophet":

Bruce McConkie: "If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation. There is no salvation outside The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Mormon Doctrine, p.670).

Joseph Fielding Smith: [There is] "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190).

Marion G. Romney: "This Church is the ensign on the mountain spoken of by the Old Testament prophets. It is the way, the truth, and the life" (Conference Report, April, 1961, p. 119)

239 posted on 06/14/2010 12:41:56 PM PDT by Colofornian (The Lds Lament: If only the 'Restoration' had occurred in a 'Once upon a time' era...)
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To: Colofornian
Well there you have it again....another ‘dead’ phoney leader claiming salvation thru him and his church. But then Smith did say he'd be the next Mohammedan...fashioning himself after another ‘dead’ leader.

All false religions, cults, and the occults have their man of the hour, so to speak.....but they are All dead or will be... and gone.
Jim Jones had his following, and he took most of his followers with him in death as well....and their are others like them over the centuries. ......They are exactly those who Christ warned us about time and time again.....Antichrists and Anti-Christian. The all tack Christ or enough Christianity beliefs into their religious systems to attract and hook people because Christ and Christianity have an attraction to the masses. But just as Jesus said.....”"all who came before me are thieves and robbers" so we have those who continue desiring their own power and worship”......and they continue to steal and rob the truth from peoples souls today.

Christianity however has the ‘'risen'’ Christ..alive and well! and central to the faith. No other additional books or revelations are necessary.....He is are all in all...and it is all about Him. Any one person or persons a church adds or elevates above Him, including their church itself has put themselves on dangerous ground of shipwrecking their faith....only a matter of time.

340 posted on 06/14/2010 2:17:21 PM PDT by caww
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