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580 Reasons (& counting) Why You Should Leave the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints [II]
Life After Ministries ^ | 2007

Posted on 06/13/2010 6:28:26 PM PDT by Colofornian

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To: T Minus Four

Hi T,

It is possible, and true.

Regards,

Normandy


541 posted on 06/14/2010 7:13:06 PM PDT by Normandy
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To: Raider Sam
I was just telling someone that I wasnt gonna read something that long, because it is likely not an original thought.

If you get MY original thoughts, you can pick them apart and claim they are my opinions.

Good luck with the MORMON 'scripture' I post and MORMON facts which are NOT opinions.

542 posted on 06/14/2010 7:14:01 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SZonian

don’t feed the troll


543 posted on 06/14/2010 7:15:16 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Abortion: one dead, one wounded.)
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To: Raider Sam
Then they are not Jews, they are Christians.

OK; if you say so.

544 posted on 06/14/2010 7:15:21 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; SZonian; Vigilanteman
We are not kicking YOUR dog.

But what about the cureloms? Save the cureloms! Cureloms are FRIENDS, not FOOD!!!

JUST SAY NO TO CURELOM ABUSE!

545 posted on 06/14/2010 7:16:25 PM PDT by mrreaganaut (View the wild curelom herds at Zion National Mounument!)
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To: Elsie

mormonic verses placemarker


546 posted on 06/14/2010 7:16:38 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: restornu
The attitude of many here seems pretty much in line with those of telestial kingdom

OH MY HECK! NOBODY TOLD ME THAT WE WOULD BE GRADED ON ATTITUDE! I FOLLOWED ALL THE RULES!

547 posted on 06/14/2010 7:19:04 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Abortion: one dead, one wounded.)
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To: Normandy
I think you know that I believe (and know) that the Jesus of the Bible is the very same Jesus that I worship as a Latter-day Saint.

There WILL be MORMON writings coming forth on this shortly.

Are you going to be defending what they say; or spinning off into "I love my church"?

548 posted on 06/14/2010 7:19:17 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: samtheman
I think there are some... maybe MANY... stealth leftists who hang out here waiting for the chance to cause fights between conservatives.

I think there are some... maybe MANY... stealth satanists who hang out here waiting for the chance to cause fights between Christians.

549 posted on 06/14/2010 7:21:54 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu; SZonian; colorcountry

It is a known fact that those who read their scriptures daily or often and do the will of the Lord do not apostized

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NO resty, that is a lie the leadership tells you. It is in NO WAY A FACT

When I was LDS I read the BoM every day and towards the end I read the Bible every day as well and often the D&C. I read the BoM up until the day I accepted Christ as a Christian. EVERY SINGLE DAY.

And I did all I was commanded as an LDS person, and then some, and yet I STILL apostatized, I still lost my testimony and I still left.

And your own leaders have taught that those who leave and fight the LDS church are doomed for outer darkness, not the telestial kingdom.

Need quotes on that?


550 posted on 06/14/2010 7:22:42 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
 
 
 

`Some people,' said Humpty Dumpty, looking away from her as usual, `have no more sense than a baby!'

Alice didn't know what to say to this: it wasn't at all like conversation, she thought, as he never said anything to her; in fact, his last remark was evidently addressed to a tree -- so she stood and softly repeated to herself:

`Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall:
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
All the King's horses and all the King's men
Couldn't put Humpty Dumpty in his place again.
'

`That last line is much too long for the poetry,' she added, almost out loud, forgetting that Humpty Dumpty would hear her.

`Don't stand chattering to yourself like that,' Humpty Dumpty said, looking at her for the first time, `but tell me your name and your business.'

`My name is Alice, but --'

`It's a stupid name enough!' Humpty Dumpty interrupted impatiently. `What does it mean?'

`Must a name mean something?' Alice asked doubtfully.

`Of course it must,' Humpty Dumpty said with a short laugh: `my name means the shape I am -- and a good handsome shape it is, too. With a name like yours, you might be any shape, almost.'

`Why do you sit out here all alone?' said Alice, not wishing to begin an argument.

`Why, because there's nobody with me!' cried Humpty Dumpty. `Did you think I didn't know the answer to that? Ask another.'

`Don't you think you'd be safer down on the ground?' Alice went on, not with any idea of making another riddle, but simply in her good-natured anxiety for the queer creature. `That wall is so very narrow!'

`What tremendously easy riddles you ask!' Humpty Dumpty growled out. `Of course I don't think so! Why, if ever I did fall off -- which there's no chance of -- but if I did --' Here he pursed up his lips, and looked so solemn and grand that Alice could hardly help laughing. `If I did fall,' he went on, `the King has promised me -- ah, you may turn pale, if you like! You didn't think I was going to say that, did you? The King has promised me -- with his very own mouth -- to -- to --'

`To send all his horses and all his men,' Alice interrupted, rather unwisely.

`Now I declare that's too bad!' Humpty Dumpty cried, breaking into a sudden passion. `You've been listening at doors -- and behind trees -- and down chimneys -- or you couldn't have known it!'

`I haven't indeed!' Alice said very gently. `It's in a book.'

`Ah, well! They may write such things in a book,' Humpty Dumpty said in a calmer tone. `That's what you call a History of England, that is. Now, take a good look at me! I'm one that has spoken to a King, Iam: mayhap you'll never see such another: and, to show you I'm not proud, you may shake hands with me!' And he grinned almost from ear to ear, as he leant forwards (and as nearly as possible fell off the wall in doing so) and offered Alice his hand. She watched him a little anxiously as she took it. `If he smiled much more the ends of his mouth might meet behind,' she thought: `And then I don't know what would happen to his head! I'm afraid it would come off!'

`Yes, all his horses and all his men,' Humpty Dumpty went on. `They'd pick me up again in a minute, they would! However, this conversation is going on a little too fast: let's go back to the last remark but one.'

`I'm afraid I can't quite remember it,' Alice said, very politely.

`In that case we start afresh,' said Humpty Dumpty, `and it's my turn to choose a subject --' (`He talks about it just as if it was a game!' thought Alice.) `So here's a question for you. How old did you say you were?'

Alice made a short calculation, and said `Seven years and six months.'

`Wrong!' Humpty Dumpty exclaimed triumphantly. `You never said a word like it!'

`I thought you meant "How old are you?"' Alice explained.

`If I'd meant that, I'd have said it,' said Humpty Dumpty.



 

 

`I don't know what you mean by "glory",' Alice said.

Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. `Of course you don't -- till I tell you. I meant "there's a nice knock-down argument for you!"'

`But "glory" doesn't mean "a nice knock-down argument",' Alice objected.

`When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.'

`The question is,' said Alice, `whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

`The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, `which is to be master -- that's all.'

 


551 posted on 06/14/2010 7:24:18 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
that feeling for most folks feel wash over them

feelings

552 posted on 06/14/2010 7:24:46 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Abortion: one dead, one wounded.)
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To: reaganaut
BLASPHEMY?

Do you have to go back to LIE detecting school?

553 posted on 06/14/2010 7:25:28 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: T Minus Four; restornu
Resty, name one doctrine I have as a Christian that you disagree with. Please.

A very good Q to ask. Certainly, we as Christians disagree with a whole host of twistings & Mormon doctrinal "add-ons."

But whenever I ask a Mormon, "What teaching" in the Apostles Creed do you disagree with? I've only gotten one Mormon to even ever respond (even when the Lds were much more responsive around here 1, 2, 3 years ago).

Why is this Q so relevant? Because Lds claim in their "scripture," based upon Smith's First Vision, that ALL (as in 100%) of our creeds were an "abomination" to their god.

Answer the challenge, Mormon! What's so "abominable" about the Apostles Creed? [Yes, the creed references the "catholic" church -- but this is small "c" -- meaning universal, not Roman Catholic]

If Mormons can't find what's so "abominable" with the Apostles Creed, guess what? (Joseph Smith lied on behalf of God...again)

554 posted on 06/14/2010 7:25:32 PM PDT by Colofornian (The Lds Lament: If only the 'Restoration' had occurred in a 'Once upon a time' era...)
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To: Normandy

The book of Mormon does not have a single thing to do with Jesus and it makes me sick that some people think so. It’s blasphemy.


555 posted on 06/14/2010 7:26:50 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Abortion: one dead, one wounded.)
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To: restornu
The most fundamental difference between the LDS Church and traditional Christianity is the principle of the Godhead:

Grab the wiggling lizard tail!

556 posted on 06/14/2010 7:27:09 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Normandy

The Book of Mormon - A Testimomy of Another Jesus Christ


557 posted on 06/14/2010 7:28:54 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Abortion: one dead, one wounded.)
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To: caww; greyfoxx39; Elsie

I noticed a hint of avoidance by Mormons to speak of the Crucifixion......is there a reason they avoid this from their doctrinal point of view? Just how do they view the Crucifixion?

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They view the Crucifixion as a means of death. They believe the sin bearing took place in the Garden not on the cross and that the cross is where Jesus died, but it could have been any method since His death was only necessary so that He could be resurrected. It didn’t matter how.

If you ask an LDS why they don’t use crosses, they will say ‘we focus on the resurrection’, yet they don’t really. Their Easter services are pretty much the same as any sunday.

It used to be that the ‘gotcha comment’ for the LDS to a Christian was “well, if Jesus was beheaded would you wear a knife/guillotine around your neck?” And THAT comment shows how much disdain they have for the Cross.

They will speak of the ‘atonement’ in general terms (like they speak of Christ in general terms) but the “atonement” usually means only the Garden.


558 posted on 06/14/2010 7:29:34 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Normandy

NOpe. Describe the origins, person, life and character of your “Jesus”


559 posted on 06/14/2010 7:29:49 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Abortion: one dead, one wounded.)
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To: restornu
 
The only thing really incomprehensible are the creeds themselves.
 
 

Here is MORMONism's own creed:
 
 

Articles of Faith

The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor,
in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.

 
THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541
 
 

  1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
  2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
  3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
  4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
  5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
  6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
  7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
  8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
  9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
  10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
  11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
  12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
  13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith

 
 
And SO FORTH???

560 posted on 06/14/2010 7:30:07 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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