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580 Reasons (& counting) Why You Should Leave the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints [II]
Life After Ministries ^ | 2007

Posted on 06/13/2010 6:28:26 PM PDT by Colofornian

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To: greyfoxx39

Well, that link needed a projectile vomit alert.


1,221 posted on 06/16/2010 11:50:41 AM PDT by T Minus Four (Abortion: one dead, one wounded.)
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To: caww
With those strict dress code guidelines they would have eliminated most of the disciples as they took the gospel from place to place.....

Exactly, and Jesus wouldn't have fit the dress code either, certainly not a BYU.

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1,222 posted on 06/16/2010 11:53:39 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

“I also don’t think she has any idea who the real Christ is.”

The “real Christ” is my Savior, my very Best Friend, my Redeemer, and Soon-Coming King. I love Him. I know Him and He knows me personally. He suffered and died for me.

The “real Christ” would not approve of your evil statements about me and my faith.


1,223 posted on 06/16/2010 11:57:11 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy
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To: Saundra Duffy

The “real Christ” would not approve of your evil statements about me and my faith

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You sure about that? He had choice words about legalism and the Pharisees (which are very similar to the LDS), and I seriously doubt He is very well please with a ‘church’ claiming that He is a created being who suffered in the garden rather than on the cross for sins and mock Him by claiming they can become gods too.

If you know who the real Christ is, then why in the hell are you following a false one?


1,224 posted on 06/16/2010 12:01:54 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Saundra Duffy

Hey, Sandy, while you are here answer a question for us please...

Was God the father once man, and did He have a God once too?

And what exactly does ‘joint heirs’ with Christ mean to the LDS.

LDS theology pop quiz time!


1,225 posted on 06/16/2010 12:03:14 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: caww

Wow caww! Amazing testimony :-)


1,226 posted on 06/16/2010 12:05:58 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Abortion: one dead, one wounded.)
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To: Saundra Duffy
Still no comment on the following exchange?

Yeah, afterall, our "mean" Jesus didn't destroy multitudes of people and dozens of cities.

Here's a pretty good picture of how "loving" the mormon jesus is...

In the Book of Mormon, Jesus brought death and destruction with him to the Cross. In 3 Nephi, Chapters 8 and 9, it details the events testifying of Christ's crucifixion. It describes the desolation of the great city of Zarahemla by fire, and the city of Moroni "did sink into the sea and the inhabitants thereof were drowned... the earth was carried up upon the city of Mornihah...there was great and terrible destruction in the land southward......terrible destruction in the land northward....the highways were broken up....many great and noble cities were sunk and many burned and many shaken till the buildings thereof had fallen to the earth.....all these great and terrible things were done in the space of three hours."

3 Nephi, Chapter 9, tells of further wrath as the Lord also destroyed the cities and inhabitants of Gigal, Onihah, Mocum, Jerusalem, Gadiandi, Gadiomnah, Jacob, Gimgimmo, Jacobugath, Laman, Josh, Gad, and Kishkumen. (a total of 16 major cities) Who did all this killing to testify of our Lord's atonement on Calvary?

3 Nephi 9:15 reveals the murderer of approximately 2 million innocent inhabitants of the Book of Mormon lands, "Behold, I am Jesus Christ the son of God. I created the heavens and the earth and all things that in them are." He adds, (in verse 21), "behold, I have come unto the world to bring redemption unto the world to save the world from sin." I guess the easiest way was to kill almost every living creature; at least the vast majority of that portion of his "other sheep have I." This Jesus was a god of wrath, exercising some form of Old Testament Judgment by the one who was supposed to be the end of the law.

The Biblical Jesus cried out to His Father,

"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."

Source: http://saintsalive.com/resourcelibrary/mormonism/the-book-of-mormon-another-testament-of-christ

My, what a contrast.

1,227 posted on 06/16/2010 12:06:16 PM PDT by SZonian (We began as a REPUBLIC, a nation of laws. We became a DEMOCRACY, majority rules. Next step is?)
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To: reaganaut
then breathed His very Spirit into us! It’s breathtaking! - - - - Excellent play on words and very true. Oh wow, I didn't catch that. But I like it :-)
1,228 posted on 06/16/2010 12:08:47 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Abortion: one dead, one wounded.)
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To: SZonian

This is what I believe, what my Church believes:

The Articles of Faith
of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.

We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.

We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.

We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.

We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.

We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.

We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.

We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.

We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.

We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.

We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.

We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith


1,229 posted on 06/16/2010 12:09:08 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy
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To: reaganaut

For your “pop quiz” here is what I believe and what my Church believes:

The Articles of Faith
of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.

We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.

We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.

We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.

We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.

We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.

We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.

We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.

We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.

We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.

We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.

We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith


1,230 posted on 06/16/2010 12:10:13 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy
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To: Elsie; reaganaut

You know what they say: Don’t go for a jury trial or you’ll be judged by twelve people too stupid to get out of jury duty.


1,231 posted on 06/16/2010 12:11:58 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Abortion: one dead, one wounded.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

...choir!


1,232 posted on 06/16/2010 12:12:44 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Abortion: one dead, one wounded.)
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To: svcw

“Sandy has no idea what lds really believe or teach based on her own words here on FR. “

This is what I believe and the official doctrine of my Church:

The Articles of Faith
of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.

We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.

We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.

We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.

We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.

We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.

We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.

We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.

We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.

We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.

We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.

We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith


1,233 posted on 06/16/2010 12:13:07 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy
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To: reaganaut; 4mer Liberal
If God was once man, which they also teach, then He lived on an earth

We just visited Kolob Canyon in Zion park, obviously a re-creation of the Mormon god's boyhood home planet. Very pretty.

1,234 posted on 06/16/2010 12:15:34 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Abortion: one dead, one wounded.)
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To: Saundra Duffy

I’m quite familiar with the mormon creed.

But that’s not what I asked you to comment on Sandy.

You made a comparison about the mormon jesus vs. the Chrisian Jesus upthread and you never replied to my reply to your post.

I’m asking for your comment, based on the information I provided for you, on which one displayed the temperment most associated with Jesus .

The mormon jesus or the Christian Jesus? Which is the “mean” one?


1,235 posted on 06/16/2010 12:16:02 PM PDT by SZonian (We began as a REPUBLIC, a nation of laws. We became a DEMOCRACY, majority rules. Next step is?)
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To: Saundra Duffy

The “real Christ” would not approve of your evil statements about me and my faith.

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What statements are evil? Please be specific.


1,236 posted on 06/16/2010 12:19:35 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Saundra Duffy
It's like every couple of hours someone pulls the string on the back of your neck.


1,237 posted on 06/16/2010 12:20:38 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Abortion: one dead, one wounded.)
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To: reaganaut
And thus the Mormon believe system has roots in Hinduism...’many Gods’... and... ‘you can be a God’....This you progress thru their own levels and rituals....I did say all cults have the same format of deception, satan just dresses each one according to his targets, but the platform is the same... Dethrone God...and make people Believe they will sit there....just like He wanted that seat.

Sounds all too familiar.....I hear “serpent talk”

Satan said...”You will not surely die”......”you will be like God”

Their conversation continued until we reach the clincher....... and Eve said.....”You must not touch it”..or you will die.”........

But now God Never said they couldn't touch it....she ‘added’ on to God's ‘spoken word.’

And various religions have been doing so ever since...add a book, add several books, add rituals, add this and that until the smokescreen is so thick the truth can no longer be seen or heard. It's how satan works and his practices cross the whole gambit of cults,occults,and counterfeit Christianity.

1,238 posted on 06/16/2010 12:23:46 PM PDT by caww
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To: Saundra Duffy

Oh,Sandy, is the AoF the best you can do? Really? You must know that the AoF is only ‘milk’ the LDS put forth for gentiles.

What about the Temple rites? Do THEY contain doctrine? They aren’t even LISTED in the AoF. BTW, I still have the AoF memorized so posting them isn’t really needed.

Furthermore, I was asking what YOU believed. So either you really do not have any idea what your church teaches or you are being deliberately deceptive.

C’mon, does God have a God, what does ‘joint heirs’ mean? Was He once a man? You have been through the Temple and a member for 10 years, you should be able to answer these questions. I could after only a year in the LDS.

Pony up, girlfriend. If you love your church like you claim, you should know their teachings, right?


1,239 posted on 06/16/2010 12:29:35 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: T Minus Four

:) even better when it is unintentional.


1,240 posted on 06/16/2010 12:30:48 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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