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To: count-your-change
I don't know what your problem is. Early Judaism (BC years are counted backwards) is Mosaic Judaism. It recognized neither resurrection, nor immortal souls, nor a messiah. Nor did it have any scripture other than the five books of Moses.

Post-Babylonian Judaism (late Judaism) is Judaism influenced by Zoroastrian dualism (5th century BC), and, following the Meccabeean (middle 2nd century BC) Revolt with messainism. This period also sees expansion of the scriptures, with the "prophetic" book of Daniel being the last book written.

Cristian-era Judaism is influenced by Platonism, and the resurrenctionof the dead. This period is the period of rabbinic Judaism based on the only surviving Jewish sect, the Pharisees. This period is also the period of Talmudic Judaism beginning with about 200 AD and ending about 500 AD.

So, please explain which part of this don't you understand.

And David was his father both by Mary's lineage and by Joseph's since an adopted son was considered a son for inheritance purposes. Legally he met the inheritance test and no challenged that..

Apparently you need to do some more reading on Jewish customs and laws of the first century. Inheritance had to do with worldly possessions (physical property), not tribal lineage. In the Jewish culture, adoption does not confer tribal lineage

Under normal circumstances, neither inheritance nor tribal lineage is passed through the mother. The mother only confers Jewishness to the child, regardless who or what the father is. The father confers tribal lineage and inheritance rights.

However, there is a special compensation granted to female-only surviving children to inheritance but only if the said female suvivor marries a male relative, which would have applied in Mary's case.

When it comes to Jesus, Joseph was not his natural father, so Jesus did not inherit his "seed." Joesph's lineage was cursed, so Jesus could not inherit the throne of David even if he were from Joseph's seed.

There was no tribal inheritance through female lineage, so Jesus could not inherit the throne of David through Mary's (Nathan's) line. There is no female "seed" to inherit male lineage in Jewish beliefs in 1 AD. A woman is simply a, "fertile field."

Finally, Mary being a Virgin, Jesus was not really her genetic offspring, so no matter how you look at it, he was not of the "seed of David" entitled to a throne of David, and therefore does not meet Jewish standards for a messiah.

So kosta is certain of what he DOESN'T put his faith in but still the question remains, What DOES he put faith in? A cosmic “craps” game?

Just like everyone else, including you. Except my is not as fancy and magical.

2,329 posted on 06/30/2010 3:26:23 PM PDT by kosta50 (The world is the way it is even if YOU don't understand it)
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To: kosta50
“So, please explain which part of this don't you understand.”

I quite well understand what you said so why the question?
Maybe I understand it all TOO well.

Are you appealing to the virgin birth, one of those beliefs you call a “tale”, to support your assertions about those who don't believe in it? Outstanding! Outstanding!!!
That's like an atheist appealing to Catholic beliefs to show Protestants are wrong.

Jesus was never attacked by his most vicious opponents for a lack of proper and legal genealogy, either by Jews or Gentiles. Either they gave him a tremendous pass or they understood the law and cutworms of the time better than you and knew he met the genealogical requirements.

“Apparently you need to do some more reading on Jewish customs and laws of the first century. Inheritance had to do with worldly possessions (physical property), not tribal lineage. In the Jewish culture, adoption does not confer tribal lineage”

At Wikipedia? Or maybe you have another unbiased “source”?

So kosta is certain of what he DOESN'T put his faith in but still the question remains, What DOES he put faith in? A cosmic “craps” game?

“Just like everyone else, including you. Except my is not as fancy and magical.”

Shooting “craps” by yourself really bites doesn't it?

2,332 posted on 06/30/2010 4:55:12 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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