No you did not..as I pointed out that JEWISH Paul and all the jews living in Israel spoke and understood greek
They know the words for High Priest, for priest, for elder and for deacon
They NEVER used the word PRIESTHOOD in the new church
<< 1 Timothy 3 >> Douay-Rheims Bible
A faithful saying: if a man desire the office of a bishop, (episkopē ...overseerer)he desireth a good work.
2 It behoveth therefore a bishop to be blameless, the husband of one wife, sober, prudent, of good behaviour, chaste, given to hospitality, a teacher,
3 Not given to wine, no striker, but modest, not quarrelsome, not covetous, but
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all chastity. 5 But if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?
6 Not a neophyte: lest being puffed up with pride, he fall into the judgment of the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good testimony of them who are without: lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
8 Deacons (diakonos...a servant, attendant, minister) in like manner chaste, not double tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre:
9 Holding the mystery of faith in a pure conscience. 10 And let these also first be proved: and so let them minister, having no crime.
11 The women in like manner chaste, not slanderers, but sober, faithful in all things.
12 Let deacons be the husbands of one wife: who rule well their children, and their own houses.
13 For they that have ministered well, shall purchase to themselves a good degree, and much confidence in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
From the Vulgate
1Ti 3:1 fidelis sermo si quis episcopatum desiderat bonum opus desiderat 1Ti 3:2 oportet ergo episcopum inreprehensibilem esse unius uxoris virum sobrium prudentem ornatum hospitalem doctorem
At NO time were the Greek words for priest or priest used in the outline of the new church
You can struggle to redefine the inspired word of God all you like..but my friend it is what it is
Douay-Rheims Bible
Eph 4:11 And he gave some apostles, and some prophets, and other some evangelists, and other some pastors and doctors,
No priesthood outlined
There were NO ordained priests in the new church..only the priesthood of the believer.. offering himself as a living sacrifice
Catholic writer Greg Dues has written Catholic Customs & Traditions, a popular guide (New London: Twenty Third Publications, 2007). On page 166 he states,
"Priesthood as we know it in the Catholic church was unheard of during the first generation of Christianity, because at that time priesthood was still associated with animal sacrifices in both the Jewish and pagan religions."
"A clearly defined local leadership in the form of elders, or presbyteroi, became still more important when the original apostles and disciples of Jesus died. The chief elder in each community was often called the episkopos (Greek, 'overseer'). In English this came to be translated as 'bishop' (Latin, episcopus). Ordinarily he presided over the community's Eucharistic assembly."
"When the Eucharist came to be regarded as a sacrifice, the role of the bishop took on a priestly dimension. By the third century bishops were considered priests. Presbyters or elders sometimes substituted for the bishop at the Eucharist. By the end of the third century people all over were using the title 'priest' (hierus in Greek and sacerdos in Latin) for whoever presided at the Eucharist."
A man made position based on a doctrine of the catholic church not the design of the Holy Spirit
As I have said before do not say that the NT church was the Catholic church.. a clear reading of scripture shows no priesthood, no apostolic succession, no pope..
The RC church is a church built on tradition not scripture, continuing to attempt tp bend scripture to fit your tradition changes nothing
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
Again, I an not interested in how best to translate “presbyteros”. “Priest” is a historically adopted translation, and indeed it suffers from the ambiguity with pagan and Hebrew “hiereus” which also is translated “priest” in the English language (but not in some other modern languages I know).
I showed you, from scripture, that “presbutery” is something transmittred with great care through the imposition of hands, that is, sacramentally. That matches Catholic and Orthodox priesthood. It does no match levitical priesthood or Protestant ministry.
I also showed you, from scripture, that the Apostles were instructed to do what Jesus did at the Last Supper. Since what He did was show them His sacrifice, they now show His sacrifice as well. That, again, matches Catholic and Orthodox priesthood. Of course, there are other delegations that Christ ordained, to teach, baptize, and forgive sins, “as Himself”, with immediate effect in heaven (do a search for things like “as my Father sent me so I send you”, or “who receiveth you receiveth me” or “bind on earth - bound in heaven”). That, too, matches the authentic priesthood and no one else.
The reason “bishop” is used alongside “presbyteros” is that in the Primitive Church, the priests were also all bishops. Not so today, because a bishop may delegate priestly faculties to priests who are not bishops, and given the growth of the Church, thanks be to God, he has to. Hence today we have the distinction between bishops and priests. But of course, all bishops are also priests. The priest offers sacrifice; the bishop oversees and teaches the local Church.