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To: Star Traveler

Both God and Satan exist outside of the time continuum. that gives them plenty of time so to speak to put in place a trial of the human race. My thinking is that Satan will appear as God and mislead billions, especially the new age crowd. I pray and hope for salvation. May God guide me through this turmoil.


14 posted on 06/09/2010 6:08:46 PM PDT by Ancient Drive (DRINK COFFEE! - Do Stupid Things Faster with More Energy!)
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To: Ancient Drive
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Both God and Satan exist outside of the time continuum. that gives them plenty of time so to speak to put in place a trial of the human race. My thinking is that Satan will appear as God and mislead billions, especially the new age crowd. I pray and hope for salvation. May God guide me through this turmoil.

Ummmm..., I'm not sure where this came from ... but, in any case, there are several things there that I have to say something about ... :-)

I'm not entirely sure what you're saying so I'm going to have to guess at part of it and what it means...., so here goes ...

When you say that both Satan and God exist outside of the "time continuum" ... I'm going to make some assumptions here about your meaning.

First of all, from what I can see in the Bible is that God (as in the Triune Godhead) is the only One who exists "outside of time" itself. Only God is able to know the end from the beginning as He is the only One who does exist outside of this "parameter" in our universe (called "time") and thus God does not have "time" as a parameter of His existence.

Now, if something else existed "outside of time" they would have that same capability as God, as "time" wouldn't be a factor for them, either, and they could see the "end from the beginning" too, just like God can. The only thing -- is -- God is the only One who exists in that mode, and nothing else that "exists", exists in that mode.

Satan is a created being (as we are told that in the Bible), thus, being "created" means he "exists within time" just like all other things of creation (living or inanimate things). That's because what we know from physics is that "time" is a physical parameter of "space" (the very existence of something called length, width and depth, even if there is "nothing" in that "space"), along with the various forms of "matter" in that "space", too.

And we know from physics that matter cannot come into existance without this physical parameter of "time". If "time" doesn't exist, matter cannot exist. And if something is "matter" (i.e., it is "created") that "thing" cannot exist outside of "time". Matter, time and space are all linked together in "one whole" so that none of it can exist without "all the other" existing at the exact same "time" ... :-) ...

Thus, Satan, being a "created being" -- he cannot "exist" outside of time.

I should say that living forevermore is not living "outside of time". We all will live forevermore, one way or another -- Satan, the fallen angels, the unsaved people, the righteous angels and the saved people. The only difference is "where" we will live "forevermore" at. It's either "forevermore in the presence of God" or "forevermore separated from God". Either way, it's still forevermore.

Some people may have some idea that living a very long time or living forever after being created and never dying is equal to "living outside of time". That's not it. Living forevermore more is simply continuing to live as always, within the parameter of time, with time continuing as always, that's all. It's not being "outside of the parameter of time" -- as God is.

If we were "outside of the parameter of time" then we would be outside of any physical body and outside of all matter and outside of any "space". As we all know (from the Bible) we shall all be resurrected into real and physical bodies that we will have forevermore -- thus we will still be "within creation" and thus "within time".

Now..., as to Satan "appearing as God" -- I'm not exactly sure what you mean by that. But, let me say, first of all, that the Antichrist will be some "being" that is "different from Satan". We can easily tell that by what happens in Revelation Chapter 19 and 20. We see when Jesus, the Messiah of Israel returns, the Antichrist and the False Prophet are immediately thrown into the lake of fire (a "summary judgment" which takes place before the Great White Throne judgment for everyone else in the world).

BUT, we see that Satan is chained up for one thousand years. So, on one hand, the Antichrist is thrown into the lake of fire, while, on the other hand, Satan is chained up for one thousand years. Since you can't do "both" at the same time to the same individual -- that clearly indicates that Satan and the Antichrist are two separate beings.

And besides that, Satan is said to give his power to the Antichrist. Thus, you don't give your power to yourself (you already have it ... you see ... :-) ...). You give your power to "someone else". Thus when Satan gives his power to the Antichrist, this is another indicator of two separate beings.

AND THEN, lastly, you shouldn't be worried about God guiding you through this, if you belong to Christ, the Messiah of Israel (namely, He is your personal Savior, per the Scriptures). That's because all those who belong to Jesus, the Messiah of Israel, will be taken out of this world at the beginning of the 7-year Tribulation and will not be here for that time.

That happens, by the way, at the midpoint of the Tribulation, when the Antichrist stands in the Holy of Holies, in the Temple of God in Jerusalem and declares himself to be God and demands the whole world worship him.

BUT, if someone has not chosen Christ as their savior and they happen to "be there" at the midpoint of the Tribulation time (that 7-year period of time before Jesus the Messiah of Israel returns to earth) -- God has made sure that no one will be mistaken or not understand that this is not to be done (i.e. they are not to worship the Antichrist as God and take His marks signifying that they have accepted the Antichrist as God). God will send His angelic messenger to the earth to tell all people on the earth at that time, that they should not take that mark and worship the Antichrist as God -- or else they will suffer his same fate and be thrown into the lake of fire, which was reserved for Satan and the fallen angels.

Thus, if you think that someone will not know that they are doing that -- no, that will not be possible, because of that angelic messenger from God, flying around the entire globe, giving the message to every person that exists -- to not do that or else, suffer the same fate as the Antichrist and be thrown into the lake of fire.

HOWEVER, I would trust that you accept Jesus, as the Messiah of Israel and your personal savior and don't find yourself in that position, but rather, find yourself already taken up in the Rapture and no longer here for the revealing of the Antichrist. ... :-)

18 posted on 06/09/2010 7:16:57 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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