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To: markomalley

Thanks for your input.

In was basically speaking of the Northern Renaissance country’s all of which you pretty much point out goers right inline with my statement.

Where as the Southern Renaissance nations are the ones to slowly mutter along in an almost Third world state of economy. England was not part of my Thesis because it was brought about more from the desire of the King to get divorced from the sister of the Holy Roman Emperor Charles. So England came into the Reformation under much different circumstances.

Circumstances that led to the desire of religious Freedom in America away from the clutches of the Church of England. England became as much if not more of a problem for Christs Church as the Catholic Church was.

I also agree that with the advent of Socialism all countries even America eventually stumble and fail.


7 posted on 06/10/2010 1:48:52 PM PDT by FredJake
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To: FredJake; OneVike
Circumstances that led to the desire of religious Freedom in America away from the clutches of the Church of England. England became as much if not more of a problem for Christs Church as the Catholic Church was.

Interesting usage: discriminating between "Christs Church" and the "Catholic Church."

I say this is interesting because I was taught and can discern from history that the Catholic Church is the church established by Christ.

Now I am not trying to start an argument with you, but I point this out because if you are trying to convince Catholics with your writing or if you intend to engage in serious conversation with Catholics, little statements like that are a turn-off. A HUGE turn-off.

If, on the other hand, you are trying to affirm Protestants in their beliefs and could care less what we Papist B@st@rds think (after all, we're all going to h3ll anyway, so who cares), then, by all means, include little zings like that.

(It would be as if I, as a Catholic, was to post something that directly called you all a bunch of heretics and instantly condemning you to eternal flames. Sure, if I am writing something for Catholics' consumption that would be one thing...but I wouldn't be able to expect anything but flaming from Protestants, would I?)

Just a suggestion.


As to the rest of your statement:

In was basically speaking of the Northern Renaissance country’s all of which you pretty much point out goers right inline with my statement.

Where as the Southern Renaissance nations are the ones to slowly mutter along in an almost Third world state of economy.

Glad we can agree on that point. Perhaps it is actually more a matter of climate, then, rather than religion.

Have you ever been to Italy? Interesting place. The northern part of the country has a temperate climate, very similar to that of France, while the Southern part of the country has what we would call a Mediterranean climate, similar to that of Spain or, in fact, Portugal. Northern Italians generally have a disdain for Southern Italians as being lazy, while those from the South believe that the Northerners are more German than Italian and believe that they don't know how to live. Both are equally Catholic (in fact, out of the last 12 Italian Popes, 9 came from Northern Italy and none came from any farther south than Rome)

Pius VII - Cesena (Forli)
Leo XII - Spoleto (Perugia)
Pius VIII - Cingoli (Marcerata)
Gregory XVI - Belluno
Pius IX - Senigallia (Ancona)
Leo XIII - Roma
Pius X - Riese (Treviso)
Pius XI - Desio (Monza)
Pius XII - Roma
John XXIII - Sotto il Monte (Bergamo)
Paul VI - Castel Gandolfo (Roma)
John Paul I - Canale d'Agordo (Belluno)

But the North is almost a separate country to this day as far as the amount of economic activity and industrialization as compared to the South.

And you can see this elsewhere. Take, for example, Latin America. You can see that countries that are in the more temperate regions, such as Chile and Argentina, are far more advanced than those from the tropics and subtropics. Even in this country, you can see that historically the North was more industrialized than the South (of course, socialism has utterly corrupted the Northeastern states, driving industry to the more conservative and business-friendly South, but, historically, that was not the case)

9 posted on 06/11/2010 2:41:05 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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