Posted on 06/06/2010 10:18:56 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
And don’t you find it interesting that Mormons were unaware of who the source of this supposed statement was until January 16, 2008, 110 year after the fact?
Perhaps you don’t.
http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/16/a-footnote-to-the-strength-of-the-mormon-position/
If you’d like to read more, he has more writing in this volume:
“First Annual Conference or The Association of Catholic Colleges of the United States, Held in St. James’ Hall, Chicago, April 12 and 13, 1899., Washington DC, Catholic University Press 1899”
I don’t have a problem with people who don’t understand what they are saying and doing, the problem I have is with people who make claims like “His name is never given” and is “Urban Legend” simply because they’re too stuck trying to take out their hateful agenda on people who haven’t done anything to incur their wrath. Now that you’ve been educated and enlightened, perhaps you’ll give everyone an apology for your libelous, unfounded, hateful and ridiculous claim(s).
I have no ill will towards you, I only addressed this thread to stop the misinformation in the first place. Colorcountry had a knee jerk reaction which always is an addendum to ignorance, and now I’ve AGAIN set the record straight. One day I hope that the posters on these threads will get over their anti-religious zealotry and turn back to God. Then they will realize that the TRUTH, not their emotion perceptions of it, will set them free. I’m done with this thread, having gone out of my way to help those whose differences arise from their own ignorance and pride, and not fact nor its resultant opinion. Take it or leave it. There’s too much at stake in life to waste your time with lies and propaganda (The very sin so often accused of the innocent and pious), I’ve shown you your error in your misguided statement(s), do as you please, but know the truth. You’re wrong about many other things as well, start searching for answers, please.
Thank you, and have a good day.
They were aware in 1930, when Whitney published his autobiography. Now you’ve spent your 10 seconds researching, have been pproven wrong, and apparently still don’t have anything better to say. I have better things to do with my time than argue your acceptance or rejection of fact. You’ve been handily shown your errors. Now feel free repent. It’s your choice.
Have a good day.
Really - Whitney said this in his autobiography? Source?
Hahahaha.
Funny it took a bit of research in the Mormon history archives for the apologist to name the man. I just love Mormonism - so funny. (I’ve already given you the link.)
It is a Mormon statement - just like reaganaut said. AND you proved the point upthread that a member of our military was told this by a MORMON, and the oft repeated MORMON statement turned him off completely toward Mormonism. Thanks for highlighting that issue here. :D
At least the character Dr. Reiner was right, and I quote him here, “You Mormons are all Ignoramuses....” (end quote)
And Mormons quote it all the time. It IS one of their sayings.
Carry on, troll.
“Those who reject Vatican II have already placed themselves outside communion with the Church for other reasons - usually schism. Also, there are no anathemas attached to Vatican II.”
That’s right. Catholics have novel interpretations and schisms even apart from Protestantism. So much for the one true church.
You wrote:
“That’s right. Catholics have novel interpretations and schisms even apart from Protestantism. So much for the one true church.”
Wow. You seem desparate.
........dumbfounded comments as that would certainly not attest to any ability of critical thinking in one who makes such a claim. Protestants could certainly say the same in reverse......such as...'Logic would dictate that all Catholic sects are man made and not from God.'......
.....am beginning to think these threads are anything but lively debate anymore. More a stomping ground for disgruntled and bitter hearted individuals who have lost the ability to debate the issues among one anothers faith. Others come along who might benefit from debate drop their comments but few enter with questions or join the debates themselves....the hatred is rank....which "logic would indicate that catholics' have personal issues which play out on these threads." and that not of the things of God.
You wrote:
“Protestants could certainly say the same in reverse......such as...’Logic would dictate that all Catholic sects are man made and not from God.’......”
False, for the following reasons:
1) There are no Catholic sects.
2) All Protestant sects started after 1500 yet Christ’s Church - the Catholic Church - started in about AD 33.
3) Thus, Christ’s Church - the only one started by God - is not man made while all those founded by men such as Luther, Calvin, Henry VIII, Zwingli, etc are by definition exactly that: man-made.
4) God only made one Church. No Protestant sect was founded by God. His Church already existed for more than 1400 years before Protestants came along.
Not a single scripture reference to justify those statements. Once again one can lay claim to all the Historical writings thru the ages and justify their catholic beliefs by doing so...equally so can the Protestants.
The Jewish nation was also given the law...failed to keep it...and insisted on the standard practices of thier time. They refused Christ so He took the Gospel to the Gentiles. Just because one is intititaed first does not mean they will be accepted or maintain that position....
“The first shall be last and the last first” as is written.
Catholics majorly screwed things up along the way...the Inquisition and various other pagan practices were instituted within the Catholic church... God determined to end it...thus the Reformation and casting off of the abominations which were....and still today the Vatican and those who follow fight to retain what once was.
You wrote:
“Not a single scripture reference to justify those statements.”
You need a scripture reference to know that Luther, Calvin and Zwingli et al. founded the first Protestant sects?
“Once again one can lay claim to all the Historical writings thru the ages and justify their catholic beliefs by doing so...equally so can the Protestants.”
No. Since Protestants NEVER EXISTED BEFORE 1500 they cannot make that claim. It’s simply a fact.
“The Jewish nation was also given the law...failed to keep it...and insisted on the standard practices of thier time. They refused Christ so He took the Gospel to the Gentiles. Just because one is intititaed first does not mean they will be accepted or maintain that position....”
Your point is irrelevant because it has nothing to do with the main issue at hand: all Protestant sects were founded by men. We know who the founders were, when they founded their sects and so on. All of them founded their sects after 1500. They are all man made. Now, another point is this: the Jews were a select people - as decided on by God. God also founded the Church. The Church is a select people. The Church is just ONE people. There is only one Church. Groups may break off, schisms happen, and new sects spring up, etc. But God founded one Church just as He founded one Chosen People in the beginning.
““The first shall be last and the last first” as is written.”
Yes, it is written. And it clear that that has nothing to do with what we’re talking about. Christ sent one Church. That was the beginning. He never sent any other group and certainly no sect. What was true then about that is still true now.
“Catholics majorly screwed things up along the way...the Inquisition and various other pagan practices were instituted within the Catholic church...”
Your opinion accounts for exactly nothing.
“God determined to end it...thus the Reformation and casting off of the abominations which were....and still today the Vatican and those who follow fight to retain what once was.”
You are extremely off base to say the least. God didn’t determine to end His Church nor would He start a myriad of competing petty, puny and ignorant sects. Also, if the Protestant Revolution was God’s plan then that would mean God failed for the Catholic Church is still spreading Christianity throughout the world. Why would God oppose His own Church? He wouldn’t. But a misguided person might tacitly imply He did because he never thought through his own assertions.
Twisting and spinning vocabulary is typical and easily spotted to the discerning....as easily those who do so.
Christ did not "send us the church"...as you stated...He sent us His Son of which those who believe in Him are members of the body of Christ, with Him as the Head. The church does not reflect Rome...rather Christ to an unsaved world.
I am certain my opinion and others matters significantly to Christ...always has and always will.
You wrote:
“Twisting and spinning vocabulary is typical and easily spotted to the discerning....as easily those who do so.”
I’m not spinning of twisting anything. All Protestant sects started after 1500. That’s just a fact.
“Christ did not “send us the church”...as you stated...”
Christ sent the Church. Look at the Great Commission. He sent the Church.
“He sent us His Son...”
Christ sent His Son? You’re claiming Christ had a son? You’re seriously confused.
“...of which those who believe in Him are members of the body of Christ, with Him as the Head. The church does not reflect Rome...rather Christ to an unsaved world.”
No Protestants existed in the first century. Or the tenth. Or the 15th. Those are just the facts. Christ sent the Church. He sent no Protestant sect.
“I am certain my opinion and others matters significantly to Christ...always has and always will.”
No, actually it doesn’t. Just as Christ is no respecter of persons He is no respecter of opinions. He is the Truth and that’s wht He cares about. Opinions can be false. Yours are.
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