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To: marshmallow
I'm a Catholic. I don't doubt that there is a celibate vocation. No question about it. But it's a very special gift and it belongs in monasteries, as is the (very general) with rule with our Eastern Orthodox brothers and sisters.

Priestly celibacy worked well enough I suppose when the only way up the social ladder for intelligent and reasonably ambitious young men was the Military, the Royal Bureaucracy, and the Church. But that's not the case nowadays, and it hasn't been the case for the last century, at least. Now many other avenues are open for social advancement.

So in the context of modern America, who wants to be a priest? Who wants to walk around with an "open wound?" Far too often it is young homosexual men who want to have the automatic social acceptability that being the pastor of a parish affords, while indulging their disgusting sexual appetites, often openly, but more often on the "down low."

This is certainly in keeping with my very extensive experience with the American Catholic clergy. So many of our American Catholic priests are gay and sexually active. At one point in the 1990s Catholic priests were at the top of the list for risk of AIDS. Our seminaries are "pink." At least many of them. And even if an American Catholic priest is not gay, from my experience they suffer from some other basic personality flaw, like alcoholism, pill addiction, low self-esteem, and so on. One can only ask how much of these other problems are part and parcel of the whole misplaced celibacy thing. Is a purported desire to live without a woman healthy in most young men? Or is that young man actually trying to avoid having to face up to his immaturity and do what he has to do to achieve a Christian marriage?

I think that to ask the question is truly to answer it.

Maybe others have had different experiences, but all I can say is that as far as I can see Catholic priests in America at least are as a group (and no doubt with many exceptions) sexual deviants, alcoholics, addicts and/or fundamentally suffer from some other very fundamental personality flaw.

It seems impossible to ignore. And the most logical place to lay the blame is the anachronistic celibacy rule for parish priests.

Let celibates go to monasteries and pray. But don't let them have much contact with normal people, and certainly essentially no contact with children (that much seems absolutely imperative, given the horrible betrayal of trust of the laity by the celibate clergy that has brought such disgrace to the Body of Christ on Earth."

19 posted on 05/30/2010 9:02:34 AM PDT by Erskine Childers
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To: Erskine Childers
But don't let them have much contact with normal people, and certainly essentially no contact with children (that much seems absolutely imperative, given the horrible betrayal of trust of the laity by the celibate clergy that has brought such disgrace to the Body of Christ on Earth."
As opposed to the sexually active clergy in other faiths? Or sexually active government school teachers? The rates of child molestation in the latter two camps is how different from the non-queer celibate priesthood?
21 posted on 05/30/2010 9:04:50 AM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: Erskine Childers; ArrogantBustard; AnAmericanMother; ninenot; Dr. Sivana; narses; Tax-chick
EC: With "Catholics" like you, who needs heretics?

You seem to suppose that there is something strange about celibacy.

Quick quiz: Name the spouses of Jesus Christ, each apostle (if you use the Scriptural reference to Peter's mother-in-law, be sure to prove he was married AFTER he became a priest), Benedict XVI, John Paul II, John Paul I, Paul VI, John XXIII, Pius XII, Pius XI, Pope St. Pius X, Leo XIII, Blessed Pius IX, etc.

Your second paragraph suggests a model of the priesthood more consistent with atheist or agnostic sociology than with the spiritual realities of the priesthood.

Those who seek the priesthood in this century in America and in every century everywhere have generally been men moved to serve as Alterius Christus, not as social credits to their families and certainly not as sexual perverts seeking cover. The celibate are those who give up sexual love altogether not merely those who avoid marriage. Casanova and his ilk were not priests by avoiding marriage. Sexual offenders among priests are sinners because they have violated their vows and because they are not celibate.

Your post reflects the carefully nurtured ignorance that has been fostered by the heathen lamestream media. Catholic priests are no more likely than other clergy or gummint skewel teachers to be child molesters or any other sin you reference. No one ever claimed that they were without sin. If you want Catholicism (which I doubt) AND a married clergy, then transfer to an Eastern Rite Catholic Church of which there are many. That really is not your intent, though, is it?

You have learned your lessons if propaganda well. Not well enough to be taken seriously by well-catechized Catholics.

The guarantees of our Founder that the gates of hell will not prevail against it are and always will be still good. Or don't you believe that?

Fortunately the RCC is a monarchical institution that does not tolerate DIMocracy in the pews. Therefore it is and will remain Western Civilization's main bulwark against Marxism-Leninism, Islam and other works of Satan.

26 posted on 05/30/2010 10:01:23 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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