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Posted on 05/25/2010 5:47:16 PM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
The Day of Christ's/Messiah's coming for His body the Church just before the great and dreadful Day of the Lord are at hand! All signs point to that today. We have never seen in the 6000 year history of man at present the great global flux and conscious understanding that doom awaits at the very door step.
Just after the Rapture of the church transpires (which the scoffers and haters of the Grace of God totally reject), there will be a massive void of light and truth here on earth, i.e., there will not be one true Believer left on earth at this time. There will be billions of unregenerate (unbelieving) human beings in great darkness with a godless form of Christianity. This final form of apostate Christianity is referred to as the “Mustard Tree” and “Leavened Loaf” (Matthew 13:31-33). At the very moment in which the Body of Christ is caught up to meet Christ in the air (see 1 Thess. 4:13-18; 1 Cor. 15:51-53; 1 John 3:2-3), God will send down his Two Witnesses from Heaven, His Two Mighty Candlesticks. These Two Candlesticks will burn brilliantly in this post Church/ post Age of Grace darkened world, sharing the Glorious Gospel of Jesus Messiah (Rev. 11:3-12).
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Where does it say there will be no true believers. You throw around a lot of biblical references, but you seem to be drawing some unstated syllogisms.
For instance, you refer to the mustard tree as the great apostasy... but the bible verse you cite says the “Kingdom of Heaven is like a mustard tree.” The Kingdom of Heaven is like the great apostasy?
Not at all my friend. If the Church is God’s only vehicle and plan for this age when it is removed who will be left? No one. That is when these two men enter the seen and the Tribulation begins.
“We have never seen in the 6000 year history of man at present the great global flux and conscious understanding that doom awaits at the very door step.”
Surely you jest:
1. 1st Century Rome
2. The Fall of the Roman Empire in the 5th century.
3. The craziness surrounding the ending of the first Millenium.
4. The two outbreaks of the Plague in Europe.
5. The religous wars in Europe.
6. WWI
7. WWII
8. The near nuclear destruction of the US at the hands of the Cubans and the Russians in the 1960s.
Quite frankly, right now it is fairly calm.
OK, where does it say that the church will be removed from the Earth?
>> No my friend... these are the Mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven. This is just one window of what will take place while we are awaiting the Kingdom. There are different things that take place before the Kingdom is establish. Apostasy just happens to be one of them. <<
No, no, no! You specifically said that the final apostasy is referred to as the “mustard seed.” The mustard seed is the kingdom of Heaven. Explain that.
When Jesus said, "..there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be.."
- I have a hunch He isn't exaggerating.
Questions for dispensationalists about the “End of the Age,” “Last Days,” and the “Day of the Lord”—
•In such passages as Matthew 13:39-40; Matthew 13:49; Matthew 24:3; Matthew 28:20, etc, isn’t Jesus referring to the end of an age (Greek aion) rather than the end of the world (Greek kosmos)? In other words, if the author was talking about the end of the world, wouldn’t he have used kosmos when he actually used aion?
•Since the thrust of the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24/25; Mark 13; Luke 21) is the destruction of the temple, isn’t it reasonable to believe that the age in question was the age of the Jewish dispensation, thus the Old Covenant order—especially since the ancient Jewish system of temple sacrifices for sin ended with the destruction of the temple in 70 AD?
•The end time mentioned in Daniel 12:1-13 was to be when the burnt offering was taken away. Since burnt offerings ended in 70 AD, must not this be the time line, thus the “last days” of which the Bible speaks?
•Didn’t Peter proclaim the last days to be the time of Pentecost, or more generally the time in which he and his hearers were living (Acts 2:14-20)?
•Doesn’t Peter reiterate that the last times were in his era (1 Peter 1:5, 20; 2 Peter 3:3, 12)?
•Wouldn’t Peter’s readers have understood the radical nearness of the coming judgment?
•When the writer of Hebrews (Hebrews 1:2) refers to his day and time as “these last days,” can he be referring to the far distant future? Don’t Hebrews 9:26 and Hebrews 10:25-27 confirm a first century setting? If the end of the ages is still in the future, why does Hebrews 9:26 declare the end was present in the first century?
•Can there be any doubt that James 5:3-9 is telling his readers that they themselves are in the last days?
•Considering audience relevance, can John’s declaration that “it is the last hour” (1 John 2:18) be construed to be far future events? (The last times become the last days which become the last hour, as the decisive moment was now imminent.)
•Again considering audience relevance, doesn’t Paul imply in 1 Corinthians 1:7-8 and 1 Thessalonians 5:1-11 that the Day of the Lord will come during the lifetimes of his readers? Does it make any sense for Paul to tell his Thessalonian Christian brothers in 52 AD to be watchful for the Day of the Lord if the catastrophe was not to take place until thousands of years later?
•The phrase “the day of the Lord” is used in 17 or so passages in the Old Testament (Isaiah 2:12, 13:6, 9; Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3; Joel 1:15, 2:1,11,31; 3:14; Amos 5:18-20; Obadiah 15; Zephaniah 1:7,14-18; Zechariah 14:1; Malachi. 4:5) and in some 5 passages in the New Testament (Acts 2:20; 1 Corinthians 5:5; 1 Thessalonians 5:1-2; 2 Thessalonians 2:2; 2 Peter 3:10). It is also alluded to in other passages (Revelation 6:17; 16:14). Since this phrase in the Old Testament at least sometimes refers to historical judgments that have already been fulfilled in some sense (Isaiah 13:6-22; Ezekiel 30:2-9; Joel 1:15; Joel 3:14; Amos 5:18-20; Zephaniah 1:14-18), isn’t it reasonable to infer that the times in the New Testament that we see this term may also refer to already fulfilled events?
•Since other times in the Old Testament where we see the term “day of the Lord” refer to divine judgments that will take place toward the end of the age (Joel 2:30-32; Zechariah 14:1; Malachi 4:1-5), and since we can reasonably infer that the “end of the age” was the end of the Old Covenant age which ended in 70 AD, isn’t this consistent with a 70 AD fulfillment of the New Testament mentions of the Day of the Lord?
•If you think there is more than one “end of the age” or “last day” or “Day of the Lord” period—one in the first century, and one in the 21st century—where is the Scripture support for this view?
“Ignorant” is a good word to use to describe this crap.
Question: What is the craziness around the first millenium to which you make reference?
It is sad to read such a total misunderstanding of Scriptures and to know that some people will actually be ignorant enough to be misled by it. The Last Day will come whenever God decides it will come, and no one knows the day nor the hour when it will come. Every generation believes that it is the last generation, which even includes St. Paul and the other apostles. They, too, thought that Jesus was going to return in their lifetime. Instead of spending all this effort in trying to discern something that only God knows, why not spend all this time and energy in doing something useful?
I'm sorry, but that is just wrong. The teachings of the rapture are non-biblical and were never spoken of before the 1800s when a Scottish pastor came up with the idea. --anonymous responder"Well my dear friend.. when it does happen you will know where to come for your information for the next 7 years. sorry you do not see it." --"Ignorant Fisherman"
So, those that go to meet Jesus in the air on the Last Day are those that hold to some version or other of standard pop dispensationalism?
Do you truly mean to say this?
ok...
“that doom awaits at the very door step.” Awaits... it is the calm before the storm.
you jest:
1. 1st Century Rome
2. The Fall of the Roman Empire in the 5th century.
3. The craziness surrounding the ending of the first Millenium.
4. The two outbreaks of the Plague in Europe.
5. The religous wars in Europe.
6. WWI
7. WWII
8. The near nuclear destruction of the US at the hands of the Cubans and the Russians in the 1960s.
Appetizers my friend.. The best is yet to come... Rev 6-19
LOL... indeed... 1 Cor 1:18-31
Gee, and here I thought it had to do with repentance and trust in the finished work of the Christ on the believer's behalf. Silly me.
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