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To: marshmallow
There are only two roads for societies: towards individual freedom or towards a dictatorship. We can waiver around, but general direction is easily detectable. You seem to like the second road, I will stay on first - I am allergic to commands. Good luck with your future owner, he may be benevolent enough to your liking!
14 posted on 05/25/2010 11:52:07 AM PDT by Samogon (stepping on the same rake)
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To: Samogon; marshmallow
There are only two roads for societies: towards individual freedom or towards a dictatorship.

It depends on what you mean by "individul freedom," and that's what marshmallow's point was. If you take the secularist's view, then "individual freedom" means that there are no objective moral standards. Pope Leo XIII put it this way:

There is no question here respecting forms of government, for there is no reason why the Church should not approve of the chief power being held by one man or by more, provided only it be just, and that it tend to the common advantage. Wherefore, so long as justice be respected, the people are not hindered from choosing for themselves that form of government which suits best either their own disposition, or the institutions and customs of their ancestors.

The most important thing, therefore, is JUSTICE.

15 posted on 05/25/2010 11:56:18 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Samogon
There are only two roads for societies: towards individual freedom or towards a dictatorship. We can waiver around, but general direction is easily detectable

Ironically, history shows us that an absence of morality and an erroneous understanding of freedom leads inexorably and inevitably to dictatorship.

As the values of the supposedly "free" western world continue to crumble, watch for its laws to become ever more oppressive and collectivist. In contrast, those countries which have been down this road and understand that true freedom is found in God will begin to flourish.

16 posted on 05/25/2010 12:14:56 PM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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