Posted on 05/20/2010 10:42:52 AM PDT by markomalley
Only the holy spirit change hearts. Including the hearts of leaders who lead churches.
Thank you for that fascinating and highly educational comment.
Of course people who don't like all this change could just attend a Tridentine Mass. Beautiful Ceremony, no odd changes.
“The correct answer now is, ‘And with your spirit’.”
.Et cum Spiritu tuo. It was like that for centuries until Vatican II.
Well, if they had done the translation right when it was initially translated, they wouldn't need to correct it now, would they?
Of course people who don't like all this change could just attend a Tridentine Mass. Beautiful Ceremony, no odd changes.
Works for me.
Of course, if they'd just get rid of that lousy Marty Haugen music, that, in of itself, would be a HUGE improvement.
You’re welcome!
Rote dictation in a religious ceremoniously setting does nothing engaging the holy spirit in changing a sole’s heart.
Did you ever think for just a minute that evangelization is not the purpose of the Divine Liturgy?
There is a role for solid preaching in the Church. There are some good preachers in the Church to deliver that work. (e.g., the famous Fr. Corapi)
But the Divine Liturgy is the communal worship of God. By believers. Within that liturgy, the Holy Spirit works on our hearts directly as we turn our minds toward God in adoration.
Just something to consider...
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So, sometime next year you’re attending Sunday Mass as you always do, the priest takes his place in the sanctuary, makes the Sign of the Cross and says “The Lord be with you,” and you dutifully respond, “And also with you.” “Wrong,” the priest says, “The correct answer now is, ‘And with your spirit’.”Deo gratias!
And why is it they just happen to set their watch so that their preaching lasts 15 min long so that the structure of the “Divine Liturgy” fits into the worship timeframe?
I just wish we could keep the traditional organ music and axe what I call the “guitar hero” celebrations. I don’t need cymbals, flutes and guitars. I love the pipe organ music, though.
How about a cod? Or a haddock?
LOL!
You’d have to know the purpose of Mass to understand.
Well, I've heard good homilies that lasted 5 minutes and good homilies that last 12-13 minutes.
Usually, Masses are scheduled 1-1/2 hours apart from each other. If the homily goes too long, that couldn't happen.
Also, the purpose of the homily is:
65. The homily is part of the Liturgy and is strongly recommended, for it is necessary for the nurturing of the Christian life. It should be an exposition of some aspect of the readings from Sacred Scripture or of another text from the Ordinary or from the Proper of the Mass of the day and should take into account both the mystery being celebrated and the particular needs of the listeners.
General Instruction of the Roman Missal
So the homily is supposed to be an explanation of the readings or about some other liturgical text used in the Mass for that day. It is NOT necessarily supposed to be a long exhortation. While the application to individual lives is necessarily part of it (therefore there is built in a call to conversion), the audience, remember, the purpose is to educate and exhort those who are already Catholics, not to evangelize those who are outside of the Church.
There are forums for that, but this isn't one of them.
The other point, in all candor, is that there are a WHOLE LOT FEWER Catholic priests who can belt out a good sermon than Protestant preachers. I've heard both, I know. And most of the ones I know have a hard enough time with 15 minutes...I'd hate to see them stumble all over themselves with a whole hour. There are priests who can do that. But not most.
That is not a reflection on the relative piety or sanctity of anybody...on either side, btw. I, honestly, wish we had a better forum for some good preaching (outside of Mass). Even street-corner preaching. But we don't. I think we are too comfortable and, in all honesty, need to undergo some chastisement from our Father in order to regain a lot of fire in our bellies and zeal for evangelizing like the early Catholics had.
I don’t disagree with what you said.
I just think setting your watch so that when 15 mins are up then the sermon is over and one sitting in a pew week after week can just wake up but not live what was taught and practiced in daily living is missing.
I think if you are setting your watch you aren’t really getting anything out of the mass.
Heck I could set my watch on the dot to an hour, and lo, and behold, the sermons are the same exact length every time.
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