[Campion]

I'm entirely familiar with Mt 13; it's why the Protestant doctrine of an "invisible church" is false and unbiblical.

one must already be saved for God to keep you

Why is it that these "saved" people keep raising "unsaved" men to the pastorate? Apparently nobody can really tell if they, themselves, are saved, much less decide about anyone else.

Unless, of course, they turn into faithful Catholics. Then you know they were never "saved" to begin with.

[RnMomof7]

Why is it that these "saved" people keep raising "unsaved" men to the pastorate? Apparently nobody can really tell if they, themselves, are saved, much less decide about anyone else.

pretty much for the same reason Catholics keep ordaining homosexuals and pedophiles