Posted on 05/20/2010 7:15:15 AM PDT by markomalley
Episodical?
He was a Baptist minister, actually. This may be the first time the Pastoral Provision has been applied to a former Baptist clergyman.
The question is was this guy ever saved ?? Doubt it
I'm always amused at how "once saved always saved" flies out the window as soon as someone becomes a Catholic. "Nothing can snatch me out of God's hand" really means "nothing except the Pope of Rome," apparently.
Who died and made you God?
I actually feel very sorry for you.
Scottt Hahn ? No one can find evidence that the man was ever ordained.. One thing for sure he found an audience that protestants would never give him.
Protestants like sound exegesis
Not as sorry as I feel for you Mark..Saved men look to Christ..Catholics look to the church..
I believe in the preservation of the saints, one must already be saved for God to keep you
Mat:13 25But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
Sorry. Not a big Scott Hahn fan here.
He's a little too folksy in in writing for my taste.
**The question is was this guy ever saved ?? Doubt it..**
I’m so glad you can see into other people’s hearts and souls. It must be wonderful to know everything about other people you’ve never even met and never be wrong about anything, even your own opinions.
OK, goddess, since you are such an expert I'll have to take your word for it.
Tell me what you think about this:
3 1 But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of stress. 2 For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 inhuman, implacable, slanderers, profligates, fierce, haters of good, 4 treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 holding the form of religion but denying the power of it. Avoid such people. 6 For among them are those who make their way into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and swayed by various impulses, 7 who will listen to anybody and can never arrive at a knowledge of the truth. 8 As Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of corrupt mind and counterfeit faith; 9 but they will not get very far, for their folly will be plain to all, as was that of those two men.
So do you think that the "last days" might have begun around 1535 in Basel, Switzerland?
I just thought of that passage this morning, for some unknown reason...
We are told to be fruit inspectors.. but Catholics don’t believe that doctrine anyway.. so my opinion should mean nothing to you..obviously if he embraced Catholic theology he doesn’t believe he is saved either
As a former Catholic you can go to the bank with it
He also make things up as he goes along ..his theology is not traditional or biblical ...it is his
Actually his writing style appeals to women more :)
Trinity Presbyterian Church, Fairfax, Virginia, 1982. Even the screed "The Lost Soul of Scott Hahn" admits that he was a Presbyterian pastor.
one must already be saved for God to keep you
Why is it that these "saved" people keep raising "unsaved" men to the pastorate? Apparently nobody can really tell if they, themselves, are saved, much less decide about anyone else.
Unless, of course, they turn into faithful Catholics. Then you know they were never "saved" to begin with.
It's a poor "fruit inspector" who looks at the fruit, sees "Catholic" stamped on it, and declares it to be rotten without ever examining it further.
For example, this fruit has been quite helpful to me, personally. I don't find it "rotten" at all.
"The Presbyterian Church of America (PCA) had no record of his ordination or any record of Trinity Presbyterian Church, the church where he had been a pastor. Mr. Hahn acknowledged these facts but offered an explanation. Trinity Presbyterian was an independent church with an average attendance of 30 when two of its elders laid hands on him in a private ceremony in 1982. He served as their Associate Pastor for about two years. The church remained independent until its closing in 1986. Mr. Hahn told me the reason for his private ceremony was because he did not feel he was very qualified to serve as an elder at age 26, but needed the ordination to take the pastor's exemption from Social Security."
4 Proclaiming the Gospel Newsletter, quoted at:www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/2594/news98.htm
So one more time, he was never an ordained Presbyterian minister
pretty much for the same reason Catholics keep ordaining homosexuals and pedophiles
That makes a difference, why, exactly?
So one more time, he was never an ordained Presbyterian minister
Only PCA ministers are "ordained Presbyterian ministers"? How do OPC members feel about that? Does the PCA have exclusive claim to making "ordained Presbyterian ministers"?
You mean Presbyterians, or Baptists, or whatever ... are just as lost as Catholics?
Scott Hahn also taught at Chesapeake Theological Seminary, which (according to their own website), was founded by the PCA.
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