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To: TNdandelion; wagglebee
As a nurse, you should be very familiar with the fact that the ONLY cure for pregnancy related hypertension is to end the pregnancy and hopefully once the baby is full term or at least developed enough to survive outside the womb.

I'm familiar with it because I HAD IT. At no time did I want to be "cured," only treated until my children could survive. since pregnancy is self-limiting. I'm not going to turn myself inside out for you, as my earlier concern for your feelings is not reciprocated. (I'm sorry, wagglebee!)

Those who find risky pregnancy unacceptable are those who require a guarantee for life, and there is none. Those who find a less than perfect outcome unacceptable are the kind who will kill a Down's syndrome child. I think I'm overly concerned for someone who will kill a child if something other than perfection obtains. My mistake.

Humans are not perfect. We don't get to kill children because everything doesn't go perfectly. We don't even get to be depressed about it -- God says rejoice in His Gifts! We all die, after all. My fourth child is the light of my life, a young mother of three herself in a happy marriage to a man who was ADOPTED. The fact that I nearly died during her birth is inconsequential 30+ years later. At least I am not grieving over killing an unborn child.

Am i RABIDLY pro-life? According to you, I guess I am. My only concern is, according to God, am I? Pregnancy related hypertension is treatable, survivable, and we are to trust in Him and have no fear.

52 posted on 05/18/2010 10:21:10 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Judith Anne
At no time did I want to be "cured," only treated until my children could survive. since pregnancy is self-limiting.

Then you can imagine the medical dilemma of treating someone in a crisis state with that condition at only 11weeks. There is no way she will make it alive till her baby is viable and do you risk her life, as well? The answer is obvious. I'm not going to turn myself inside out for you, as my earlier concern for your feelings is not reciprocated. (I'm sorry, wagglebee!) If you are taking this discussion personally, that is unfortunate. I've not found you (or wagglebee) all that innocent with regards to making judgemental or offensive comments but I've never really let that kind of thing bug me anyway. It is always interesting when those that complain on that note ignore their own part. ;)

"Those who find risky pregnancy unacceptable are those who require a guarantee for life, and there is none." I think that's a very poor way to characterize this situation and my own perspective on pregnancy. It's one thing to accept that pregnancy has its risks and face them. It's quite another to take an unreasonable risk with the mother's life when the outcome is extremely bleak for everyone involved. "Those who find a less than perfect outcome unacceptable are the kind who will kill a Down's syndrome child." That's an outrageous statement. How can you compare someone who is unwilling to lose her life and leave her other children motherless in order to take an extreme risk with her own life to save a child that has almost no chance of surviving with someone who would kill a child for having a disability? It's not even comparable and I don't understand how anyone comes to that conclusion.

You are right, humans aren't perfect and neither are pregnancies. In the dark ages and even not so long ago, we had to bury both the mother AND the unborn child together because we didn't have the knowledge and the ability to save even one of them and you'd have us believe that death is preferable to life? Pregnancy related hypertension is usually treatable but not always. Many times, both mother and child can be saved, but not always. This is one of those times when religious doctrine doesn't fit reality. This discussion reminds of the case in the bible when Jesus was talking about the ox that fell into a ditch on the Sabbath and everyone was arguing about whether or not it could be saved because of the Sabbath. Do you remember what Jesus told them to do?

61 posted on 05/19/2010 2:51:40 PM PDT by TNdandelion
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